Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > Michael > I have experienced that. I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down thoughts with other thoughts. Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and put them in its imaginary pocket. LOL toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > Michael > LOL... but if another " insight " was able to contradict the first, then the first was distilled into a succint form that could be contradicted. When so distilled... it is no longer an insight is it? It has been reduced to a thought. Maybe what you are describing is a sequence of ideas... first X seems like a good idea, the ohh no, Y is a better idea and X not so great etc. As I see it an insight can never be boiled down, it is simply an expanded state of consciousness (or some such)... For example, an insight about communication *opens up* the channels of interactive experience. It is not about such-and-such is " right " . That is never an insight. An insight *changes the way we experience*. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed > that > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > becomes > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > Michael > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > thoughts with other thoughts. > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and put them > in its imaginary pocket. > > > LOL > > > toombaru > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed > that > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > becomes > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > Michael > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > thoughts with other thoughts. > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and put them > in its imaginary pocket. > > > LOL > > > toombaru > I was talking to a young man in The Rainbow Bean the other day. In the middle of the conversation......he started reaching for a pen....He searched for a writing instrument in every pocket....and could find nothing. He asked the girl behind the counter if she had a pen.......She said no. He ran to his car and returned with a pen and a small pad of post-its. 'Now'....What did you say? " he said. I looked at him and said: " Hmmmm......I think I was talking about lemon-blueberry scones. " toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed > that > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > becomes > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > Michael > > > > LOL... > > but if another " insight " was able to contradict the > first, then the first was distilled into a succint form > that could be contradicted. > > When so distilled... it is no longer an insight is it? > It has been reduced to a thought. > > Maybe what you are describing is a sequence of ideas... > first X seems like a good idea, the ohh no, Y is a better > idea and X not so great etc. > > As I see it an insight can never be boiled down, it is > simply an expanded state of consciousness (or some such)... > > For example, an insight about communication *opens up* > the channels of interactive experience. It is not about > such-and-such is " right " . That is never an insight. An > insight *changes the way we experience*. > > Bill > When the Understanding arrives........you look around...all excited....and light headed......you want to share it with someone.......but every one has gone...the building is empty...there is just you.....vibrating.....to the sound of your own song. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either > during a > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to > be) an > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by > the > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few > seconds > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed > > that > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > > becomes > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this > chain of > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " > insight > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and put them > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > Bill > Does that surprise you? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either > during a > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to > be) an > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by > the > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few > seconds > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed > > that > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > > becomes > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this > chain of > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " > insight > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > LOL... > > > > but if another " insight " was able to contradict the > > first, then the first was distilled into a succint form > > that could be contradicted. > > > > When so distilled... it is no longer an insight is it? > > It has been reduced to a thought. > > > > Maybe what you are describing is a sequence of ideas... > > first X seems like a good idea, the ohh no, Y is a better > > idea and X not so great etc. > > > > As I see it an insight can never be boiled down, it is > > simply an expanded state of consciousness (or some such)... > > > > For example, an insight about communication *opens up* > > the channels of interactive experience. It is not about > > such-and-such is " right " . That is never an insight. An > > insight *changes the way we experience*. > > > > Bill > > > > > > When the Understanding arrives........you look around...all > excited....and light headed......you want to share it with > someone.......but every one has gone...the building is empty...there > is just you.....vibrating.....to the sound of your own song. > > > > toombaru > that last line says it all... maybe there is a looking around, a wanting to share... maybe not but that last line always Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either > > during a > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to > > be) an > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by > > the > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few > > seconds > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed > > > that > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > > > becomes > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this > > chain of > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " > > insight > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and put them > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > Bill > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > :-) > didn't surprise me, just delighted me in other words, kinda fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either > > > during a > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to > > > be) an > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by > > > the > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few > > > seconds > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that > revealed > > > > that > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > > > > becomes > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " > insight > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this > > > chain of > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " > > > insight > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and put them > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > :-) > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > in other words, kinda fun! > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into a crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... only to begin all over again........ toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either > > > > during a > > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to > > > > be) an > > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " > accompanied by > > > > the > > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few > > > > seconds > > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that > > revealed > > > > > that > > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > > > > > becomes > > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " > > insight > > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out > to be > > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this > > > > chain of > > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " > > > > insight > > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :- ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and > put them > > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > > > in other words, kinda fun! > > > > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into a > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > toombaru Thank God we have 'vibrations' which not only vibrate, but circle each other as well. Further to their circling of one another they then 'spin out-ward. " Bam! " . That last bit is the crashing crescendo that explodes( acts in a very big way) into a dormant and inactive inertia that somehow vibrates sparkly things.Good thing we are not around to see this stuff. We might think that there was something more than Nothing and Noselves. But it reads so gently and smooth like too. Beautiful......Beautiful. :-)) .....bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either > > > > during a > > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to > > > > be) an > > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " > accompanied by > > > > the > > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few > > > > seconds > > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that > > revealed > > > > > that > > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly > > > > > becomes > > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " > > insight > > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out > to be > > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this > > > > chain of > > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " > > > > insight > > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :- ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin down > > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and > put them > > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > > > in other words, kinda fun! > > > > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into a > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > toombaru > Wow ! Every morning exactly this happens to me when sitting in the loo. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, > either > > > > > during a > > > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what > appears to > > > > > be) an > > > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " > > accompanied by > > > > > the > > > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just > a few > > > > > seconds > > > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that > > > revealed > > > > > > that > > > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " > instantly > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that > that " second " > > > insight > > > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned > out > > to be > > > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after > this > > > > > chain of > > > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > > > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or > first " > > > > > insight > > > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :- > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin > down > > > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and > > put them > > > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > > > > > in other words, kinda fun! > > > > > > > > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into a > > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Wow ! > > Every morning exactly this happens to me when sitting in the loo. > > Werner > happy to hear about your good health Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, > either > > > > > during a > > > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what > appears to > > > > > be) an > > > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " > > accompanied by > > > > > the > > > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just > a few > > > > > seconds > > > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that > > > revealed > > > > > > that > > > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " > instantly > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that > that " second " > > > insight > > > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned > out > > to be > > > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after > this > > > > > chain of > > > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > > > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original or > first " > > > > > insight > > > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :- > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the pin > down > > > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them and > > put them > > > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > > > > > in other words, kinda fun! > > > > > > > > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into a > > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > > > > toombaru > > > Thank God we have 'vibrations' which not only vibrate, but circle > each other as well. Further to their circling of one another they > then 'spin out-ward. " Bam! " . That last bit is the crashing crescendo > that explodes( acts in a very big way) into a dormant and inactive > inertia that somehow vibrates sparkly things.Good thing we are not > around to see this stuff. We might think that there was something > more than Nothing and Noselves. But it reads so gently and smooth > like too. Beautiful......Beautiful. :-)) > .....bob > ............and so the circling begins........up in the thin air.....talons grasp.........and the heady spin...towards the center...... This.........This..........Is IT. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, > > either > > > > > > during a > > > > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what > > appears to > > > > > > be) an > > > > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " > > > accompanied by > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, > just > > a few > > > > > > seconds > > > > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight > that > > > > revealed > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " > > instantly > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that > > that " second " > > > > insight > > > > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned > > out > > > to be > > > > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that > after > > this > > > > > > chain of > > > > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > > > > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original > or > > first " > > > > > > insight > > > > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go > figure! :- > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the > pin > > down > > > > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them > and > > > put them > > > > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > > > > > > > in other words, kinda fun! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into > a > > > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > > > > > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Wow ! > > > > Every morning exactly this happens to me when sitting in the loo. > > > > Werner > > > Yes.......every-where....at the same time. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, > > either > > > > > > during a > > > > > > > > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what > > appears to > > > > > > be) an > > > > > > > > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " > > > accompanied by > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, > just > > a few > > > > > > seconds > > > > > > > > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight > that > > > > revealed > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " > > instantly > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > completely incorrect. It's even happened that > > that " second " > > > > insight > > > > > > > > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned > > out > > > to be > > > > > > > > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that > after > > this > > > > > > chain of > > > > > > > > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or > > > > inaccurate " , yet > > > > > > > > another insight arose which showed that the " original > or > > first " > > > > > > insight > > > > > > > > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go > figure! :- > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I now believe that it all occurs within the attempt the > pin > > down > > > > > > > thoughts with other thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understandings occur....then thought tries to grab them > and > > > put them > > > > > > > in its imaginary pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey... toom... we said the same thing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that surprise you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't surprise me, just delighted me > > > > > > > > in other words, kinda fun! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into > a > > > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > > > > > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Wow ! > > > > Every morning exactly this happens to me when sitting in the loo. > > > > Werner > > > > > happy to hear about your good health Werner > humor is such a tonic you guys are great many hearty laughs from this thread Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 <snip> > > Vibrations coincide.....circle each other.....spin out-ward into a > > crescendo.....and explode into a sparkling quiescence.... > > > > > > only to begin all over again........ > > > > > > toombaru > > > Thank God we have 'vibrations' which not only vibrate, but circle > each other as well. Further to their circling of one another they > then 'spin out-ward. " Bam! " . That last bit is the crashing crescendo > that explodes( acts in a very big way) into a dormant and inactive > inertia that somehow vibrates sparkly things.Good thing we are not > around to see this stuff. We might think that there was something > more than Nothing and Noselves. But it reads so gently and smooth > like too. Beautiful......Beautiful. :-)) > .....bob > good to be reading your super-mind-mush again Bob! so much to relish in it, and if I picked my favorite part I think I'd pick the whole thing! but if pressed it's gotta be this sentence: > That last bit is the crashing crescendo > that explodes( acts in a very big way) into a dormant and inactive > inertia that somehow vibrates sparkly things. out of this world, from start to finish. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> >>>>>SNIP<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> > ...........and so the circling begins........up in the thin > air.....talons grasp.........and the heady spin...towards the center...... > > > This.........This..........Is IT. > > > > > toombaru ........Beautiful....Beautiful... .......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 <snip> > > > ...........and so the circling begins........up in the thin > > air.....talons grasp.........and the heady spin...towards the > center...... > > > > > > This.........This..........Is IT. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru that does it... did I miss the talons before? Here's a dash of W.B. Yeats: Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. well... that's a little bit darker stuff... but the *geometry's the same*! And doesn't it all come down to geometry? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > Michael great insight! Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 In a message dated 4/27/2006 9:10:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:04:24 -0700 " Adamson " <adamson Re: " False " insights Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) Michael I find that odd. My experience is that an insight is complete or incomplete, but is not erroneous. If it were so, I don't see what would make it an insight. Who has an 'AHA!' moment to discover something completely worthless and invalid? What would be the source of such an 'insight'? No insight I've 'known' to be genuine has ever proven to be entirely false. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 9:10:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:04:24 -0700 > " Adamson " <adamson > Re: " False " insights > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > Michael > > > > I find that odd. My experience is that an insight is complete or incomplete, > but is not erroneous. If it were so, I don't see what would make it an > insight. Who has an 'AHA!' moment to discover something completely worthless and > invalid? What would be the source of such an 'insight'? No insight I've > 'known' to be genuine has ever proven to be entirely false. > > Phil True. I think Micheal is talking about thinking. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 In a message dated 4/29/2006 8:52:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:11:39 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: " False " insights Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 9:10:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:04:24 -0700 > " Adamson " <adamson > Re: " False " insights > > > Quite a few times, when trying to figure something out, either during a > conversation with someone or on my own, I have (what appears to be) an > iron clad insight. A sudden understanding, an " aha " accompanied by the > usual sense of relief, accomplishment, etc. However, just a few seconds > later, it's been followed by another apparent insight that revealed that > what I had previously thought was " right " or " correct " instantly becomes > completely incorrect. It's even happened that that " second " insight > (which apparently corrected the " first " insight) turned out to be > another " misapprehension. " Also, it's happened that after this chain of > events of each insight " proving the other wrong or inaccurate " , yet > another insight arose which showed that the " original or first " insight > was indeed correct/accurate to begin with. Go figure! :-) > > Michael > > > > I find that odd. My experience is that an insight is complete or incomplete, > but is not erroneous. If it were so, I don't see what would make it an > insight. Who has an 'AHA!' moment to discover something completely worthless and > invalid? What would be the source of such an 'insight'? No insight I've > 'known' to be genuine has ever proven to be entirely false. > > Phil True. I think Micheal is talking about thinking. Len Yeah, must be the case. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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