Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Something that I feel I owe to this list... I`ll get hell for that but some may find the grace to not react and let a gentle breeze wink within.. As we talked, my friend and I, I was mentionning that I exerce cautiousness when meeting poeple. He calls it fear. I explored that : I see how easily entangled we get, How in fact we seek entanglement : calling it relationship, falling in love, etc.... It can be wonderfull and sometimes mighty sticky. And I can see that this isn`t where I can breeze freely. Of course, on a very personnal level, it temporarily fills the hole of my inherited loneliness. But...there is a mightier call in that breast... A call for Absolute, for Immensity, a call for what isn`t mine, because ultimately, what stays put in the particular chocks me. There is a spark of folly within, and no mattere what I do, what I accumulate, what I know, What I try (I, I, I, ) IT has a life of its own, It is of a different <wiring > than I am. and somehow this is what I am intersted to give space to, to explore, to share... Is this duality in its full glory or what?? Yet, I am so engaged by It, so devoted to IT, and so opened by IT that duality vanishes on its own. In IT the taste of Freedoom. Patricia _________________________ Faites de votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous sur http://fr./set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > Something that I feel I owe to this list... > I`ll get hell for that but some may find the grace to > not react and let a gentle breeze wink within.. > > As we talked, my friend and I, I was mentionning that > I exerce cautiousness when meeting poeple. > He calls it fear. > I explored that : > I see how easily entangled we get, > How in fact we seek entanglement : > calling it relationship, falling in love, etc.... > It can be wonderfull and sometimes mighty sticky. > And I can see that this isn`t where I can breeze > freely. > Of course, on a very personnal level, it temporarily > fills the hole of my inherited loneliness. > But...there is a mightier call in that breast... > A call for Absolute, for Immensity, a call for what > isn`t mine, > because ultimately, what stays put in the particular > chocks me. > There is a spark of folly within, and no mattere what > I do, what I accumulate, what I know, What I try (I, > I, I, ) > IT has a life of its own, > It is of a different <wiring > than I am. > and somehow this is what I am intersted to give space > to, > to explore, to share... > Is this duality in its full glory or what?? > Yet, I am so engaged by It, so devoted to IT, and so > opened by IT > that duality vanishes on its own. > > In IT the taste of Freedoom. > > Patricia Some will call it duality. Some will call feeling sorrow, or longing, or feeling ... X.. duality. They love to do that because their understanding is pretty much limited to ideas about attachment... and it gives them a chance to pipe up and sound like they " know something " . I would not trouble with the comments of such however, as that is not truth. Take a look at a quote from Krishnamurti that I posted last night [msg 39387]. In there he says: " As each experience arises, live it out as fully and deeply as possible; think it out, feel it out extensively and profoundly; be aware of its pain and pleasure, of your judgments and identifications. Only when experience is completed is there a renewal. " Notice the allowing of whatever arises to be fully experienced. Some think that nondual realization is about becoming a humongous blank... nothing affecting because *no attachment*... a vast silent emptiness gliding through timeless non-being... ahhh!...... But I see it differently altogether. I suppose at one time I did see things in terms of such a " gliding emptiness " . I attribute that to my Buddhist origins. But that is not my viewpoint now at all. In my view the " emptiness " , the freedom from attachments, is precisely what enables the full allowing of what arises to manifest fully and completely. The impetus to fully *be* in an authentic and complete way is spontaneous, comes as from within (or so it may seem), responding in the moment to whatever is " up " dynamically and full of life. To Be with such authenticity and completeness is not possible when there is analysis of what " should be done " , when there is caution, and myriad considerations. It is, rather, intuitive, immediate, bursting with life. To live with such absoluteness of being is to transcend fear. The timid can never go there. But dual? Hardly. It is the timid that want to say it is, because they do not dare go there, because they hide behind their circumspections and rigamaroles. Nondual, as I have come to see it, is -- as the sports expression goes -- " leaving nothing on the field " , that whatever unfolds unfolds with completeness. And so no residue, to use Krishnamurti's term. In one of his movies Bruce Lee is explaining to one of his students as he dispatches a " bad guy " : Leading with a punch, he says, " Dragon seeks path... " , and then whirling with a wheel kick that demolishes the opponent, he says, " Dragon whips tail! " It is like that. As the detritus of worries, concerns, timidity, and generally fussing about life is cleared away more and more the Inner Dragon comes to manifest with authority and completeness. Until every manifestation of behavior in the world is exuded as the unbounded completeness of the Inner Dragon: * Dragon seeks path * Dragon whips tail * Dragon returns into silence * Dragon spreads wings and careens across the heavens You get the idea... Everything, more and more, is unfolded, and then in turn *enfolded* (as for example the return into silence) with complete inner authority. It is the dance of the boundless Spirit Within. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > Something that I feel I owe to this list... > > I`ll get hell for that but some may find the grace to > > not react and let a gentle breeze wink within.. > > > > As we talked, my friend and I, I was mentionning that > > I exerce cautiousness when meeting poeple. > > He calls it fear. > > I explored that : > > I see how easily entangled we get, > > How in fact we seek entanglement : > > calling it relationship, falling in love, etc.... > > It can be wonderfull and sometimes mighty sticky. > > And I can see that this isn`t where I can breeze > > freely. > > Of course, on a very personnal level, it temporarily > > fills the hole of my inherited loneliness. > > But...there is a mightier call in that breast... > > A call for Absolute, for Immensity, a call for what > > isn`t mine, > > because ultimately, what stays put in the particular > > chocks me. > > There is a spark of folly within, and no mattere what > > I do, what I accumulate, what I know, What I try (I, > > I, I, ) > > IT has a life of its own, > > It is of a different <wiring > than I am. > > and somehow this is what I am intersted to give space > > to, > > to explore, to share... > > Is this duality in its full glory or what?? > > Yet, I am so engaged by It, so devoted to IT, and so > > opened by IT > > that duality vanishes on its own. > > > > In IT the taste of Freedoom. > > > > Patricia > > Some will call it duality. > Some will call feeling sorrow, or longing, or feeling ... > X.. duality. They love to do that because their understanding > is pretty much limited to ideas about attachment... and it > gives them a chance to pipe up and sound like they " know > something " . > > I would not trouble with the comments of such however, as > that is not truth. > > Take a look at a quote from Krishnamurti that I > posted last night [msg 39387]. In there he says: > " As each experience arises, live it out as fully and > deeply as possible; think it out, feel it out > extensively and profoundly; be aware of its pain and > pleasure, of your judgments and identifications. Only > when experience is completed is there a renewal. " > > Notice the allowing of whatever arises to be fully > experienced. Some think that nondual realization is about > becoming a humongous blank... nothing affecting because > *no attachment*... a vast silent emptiness gliding > through timeless non-being... > > ahhh!...... > > But I see it differently altogether. I suppose at one > time I did see things in terms of such a " gliding > emptiness " . I attribute that to my Buddhist origins. > But that is not my viewpoint now at all. > > In my view the " emptiness " , the freedom from attachments, > is precisely what enables the full allowing of what > arises to manifest fully and completely. The impetus > to fully *be* in an authentic and complete way is > spontaneous, comes as from within (or so it may seem), > responding in the moment to whatever is " up " dynamically > and full of life. > > To Be with such authenticity and completeness is not > possible when there is analysis of what " should be > done " , when there is caution, and myriad considerations. > It is, rather, intuitive, immediate, bursting with life. > > To live with such absoluteness of being is to transcend > fear. The timid can never go there. > > But dual? Hardly. It is the timid that want to say it > is, because they do not dare go there, because they > hide behind their circumspections and rigamaroles. > > Nondual, as I have come to see it, is -- as the sports > expression goes -- " leaving nothing on the field " , that > whatever unfolds unfolds with completeness. And so no > residue, to use Krishnamurti's term. > > In one of his movies Bruce Lee is explaining to one of > his students as he dispatches a " bad guy " : Leading with > a punch, he says, " Dragon seeks path... " , and then > whirling with a wheel kick that demolishes the opponent, > he says, " Dragon whips tail! " > > It is like that. As the detritus of worries, concerns, > timidity, and generally fussing about life is cleared > away more and more the Inner Dragon comes to manifest > with authority and completeness. > > Until every manifestation of behavior in the world > is exuded as the unbounded completeness of the Inner > Dragon: > > * Dragon seeks path > * Dragon whips tail > * Dragon returns into silence > * Dragon spreads wings and careens across the heavens > > You get the idea... > > Everything, more and more, is unfolded, and then in turn > *enfolded* (as for example the return into silence) with > complete inner authority. > > It is the dance of the boundless Spirit Within. > > Bill > This is Beautiful...beyond words. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > Something that I feel I owe to this list... > I`ll get hell for that but some may find the grace to > not react and let a gentle breeze wink within.. > > As we talked, my friend and I, I was mentionning that > I exerce cautiousness when meeting poeple. > He calls it fear. > I explored that : > I see how easily entangled we get, > How in fact we seek entanglement : > calling it relationship, falling in love, etc.... > It can be wonderfull and sometimes mighty sticky. > And I can see that this isn`t where I can breeze > freely. > Of course, on a very personnal level, it temporarily > fills the hole of my inherited loneliness. > But...there is a mightier call in that breast... > A call for Absolute, for Immensity, a call for what > isn`t mine, > because ultimately, what stays put in the particular > chocks me. > There is a spark of folly within, and no mattere what > I do, what I accumulate, what I know, What I try (I, > I, I, ) > IT has a life of its own, > It is of a different <wiring > than I am. > and somehow this is what I am intersted to give space > to, > to explore, to share... > Is this duality in its full glory or what?? > Yet, I am so engaged by It, so devoted to IT, and so > opened by IT > that duality vanishes on its own. > > In IT the taste of Freedoom. > > Patricia Some will call it duality. Some will call feeling sorrow, or longing, or feeling .... X.. duality. They love to do that because their understanding is pretty much limited to ideas about attachment... and it gives them a chance to pipe up and sound like they " know something " . I would not trouble with the comments of such however, as that is not truth. Take a look at a quote from Krishnamurti that I posted last night [msg 39387]. In there he says: " As each experience arises, live it out as fully and deeply as possible; think it out, feel it out extensively and profoundly; be aware of its pain and pleasure, of your judgments and identifications. Only when experience is completed is there a renewal. " Notice the allowing of whatever arises to be fully experienced. Some think that nondual realization is about becoming a humongous blank... nothing affecting because *no attachment*... a vast silent emptiness gliding through timeless non-being... ahhh!...... But I see it differently altogether. I suppose at one time I did see things in terms of such a " gliding emptiness " . I attribute that to my Buddhist origins. But that is not my viewpoint now at all. In my view the " emptiness " , the freedom from attachments, is precisely what enables the full allowing of what arises to manifest fully and completely. The impetus to fully *be* in an authentic and complete way is spontaneous, comes as from within (or so it may seem), responding in the moment to whatever is " up " dynamically and full of life. To Be with such authenticity and completeness is not possible when there is analysis of what " should be done " , when there is caution, and myriad considerations. It is, rather, intuitive, immediate, bursting with life. To live with such absoluteness of being is to transcend fear. The timid can never go there. But dual? Hardly. It is the timid that want to say it is, because they do not dare go there, because they hide behind their circumspections and rigamaroles. Nondual, as I have come to see it, is -- as the sports expression goes -- " leaving nothing on the field " , that whatever unfolds unfolds with completeness. And so no residue, to use Krishnamurti's term. In one of his movies Bruce Lee is explaining to one of his students as he dispatches a " bad guy " : Leading with a punch, he says, " Dragon seeks path... " , and then whirling with a wheel kick that demolishes the opponent, he says, " Dragon whips tail! " It is like that. As the detritus of worries, concerns, timidity, and generally fussing about life is cleared away more and more the Inner Dragon comes to manifest with authority and completeness. Until every manifestation of behavior in the world is exuded as the unbounded completeness of the Inner Dragon: * Dragon seeks path * Dragon whips tail * Dragon returns into silence * Dragon spreads wings and careens across the heavens You get the idea... Everything, more and more, is unfolded, and then in turn *enfolded* (as for example the return into silence) with complete inner authority. It is the dance of the boundless Spirit Within. Bill Words coming from thunder hooves, From lightning and gentle rain, From sweet friendship, and...from the radiance of That ancient Star. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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