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> < And what for do you want to surrender ? Is you wife arround ?

>

> < Werner

>

> Perhaps such things as " unlove, resentment, anger, condescenscion,

> hatred, prejudice, indifference, smugness, malicious intent,

> etc. "

 

 

> Only annoying things you want to get rid off? ;-)

> What about pleasure and elf-estime?

 

> Len

 

Hi Len,

 

I didn't say I wanted to " get rid of(f) " these things or any things,

whethr annoying or not. Just to merely surrender into what is AS what

is which isn't an " intentional act " but the automatic result of the

clarity of the realization that what is is what is and there ain't

nuttin' else and no getting out of it, going beyond it, changing it,

improving it, etc. The rest takes care of itself all by itself, just as

turbulent water settles when left alone.

 

In regards to " pleasure " , it's one's attachment to pleasure and the

driven desire to have it be repeated, possesed, control, engineered,

exploited, etc that is the cause of and *is* the pain and suffering. If

the desire to avoid/pursue is simply and only felt without motive, it

dissipates on it's own, which is surrender in my parlance, leaving in

its wake the a sense of infinite presence (for lack of better words).

In regards to " (s)elf-est(e)ime " , it's totally uncessary, a mental

concoction or fabrication similar to a mirage in the desert taken to be

" real " or even necessary. When seen as such, it loses its

distracting/disturbing influence.

 

Michael

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In a message dated 4/29/2006 8:52:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:10:12 -0000

" lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

Re: Surrender - a view of

 

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > < Message: 8

> > < Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:45:35 -0000

> > < " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > < Re: Surrender - a view of

> >

> > < Dear amateur,

> >

> > < And what for do you want to surrender ? Is you wife arround ?

> >

> > < Werner

> >

> > Perhaps such things as " unlove, resentment, anger,

condescenscion,

> > hatred, prejudice, indifference, smugness, malicious intent,

> etc. "

>

>

> Only annoying things you want to get rid off? ;-)

> What about pleasure and elf-estime?

>

> Len

 

 

Interesting typo: elf-esteem :-)

 

Len

 

 

 

Yeah, the first time I saw that the thought occurred to ask you if you knew

something about Werner's genetic background that we didn't, but I thought

better of it...........Oops! :(

 

P

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 4/29/2006 1:34:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:33:46 -0700

> " Adamson " <adamson

> Surrender - a view of

>

>

> >

> > < And what for do you want to surrender ? Is you wife arround ?

> >

> > < Werner

> >

> > Perhaps such things as " unlove, resentment, anger,

condescenscion,

> > hatred, prejudice, indifference, smugness, malicious intent,

> > etc. "

>

>

> > Only annoying things you want to get rid off? ;-)

> > What about pleasure and elf-estime?

>

> > Len

>

> Hi Len,

>

> I didn't say I wanted to " get rid of(f) " these things or any

things,

> whethr annoying or not. Just to merely surrender into what is AS

what

> is which isn't an " intentional act " but the automatic result of

the

> clarity of the realization that what is is what is and there ain't

> nuttin' else and no getting out of it, going beyond it, changing

it,

> improving it, etc. The rest takes care of itself all by itself,

just as

> turbulent water settles when left alone.

>

> In regards to " pleasure " , it's one's attachment to pleasure and

the

> driven desire to have it be repeated, possesed, control,

engineered,

> exploited, etc that is the cause of and *is* the pain and

suffering. If

> the desire to avoid/pursue is simply and only felt without motive,

it

> dissipates on it's own, which is surrender in my parlance, leaving

in

> its wake the a sense of infinite presence (for lack of better

words).

> In regards to " (s)elf-est(e)ime " , it's totally uncessary, a mental

> concoction or fabrication similar to a mirage in the desert taken

to be

> " real " or even necessary. When seen as such, it loses its

> distracting/disturbing influence.

>

> Michael

>

>

>

> But don't you hafta qualify that realization that what is, is, and

it can't

> be changed? I mean, if you're sitting on a knitting needle, you

don't just say

> it can't be changed and sit there. So, are there some things that

can be

> changed and others not?

>

> P

 

Attempting to change the nature of experience is one thing.

Attempting to change a flat tire another.

 

Bill

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