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>

> > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> purpose of the list.

> Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> eternal truth, it

> is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> materiel but you are what

> understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> which you become one

> is what is important. Love with that sense of

> presence, write and walk

> and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> need of effort.

> Patricia

>

>

> Truth is not what is understood,

> but what is lived.

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige

wrote:

>

>

> >

> > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > purpose of the list.

> > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > eternal truth, it

> > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > materiel but you are what

> > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > which you become one

> > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > presence, write and walk

> > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > need of effort.

> > Patricia

> >

> >

> > Truth is not what is understood,

> > but what is lived.

> > Bill

> >

 

 

.....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

appearing world...until death

 

Marc

 

Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " (and

now)

 

 

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > purpose of the list.

> > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > eternal truth, it

> > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > materiel but you are what

> > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > which you become one

> > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > presence, write and walk

> > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > need of effort.

> > > Patricia

> > >

> > >

> > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > but what is lived.

> > > Bill

> > >

>

>

> ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> appearing world...until death

>

> Marc

>

> Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " (and

> now)

>

 

Truth is not " something "

 

Truth is eternal destruction

 

the devastation of what was

 

again and again and again

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

 

 

yes...

 

it take no effort for Truth to " be " this " eternal destruction " ....

 

just like it take no effort for an ego-mind *....to ignore this

Truth....

 

Marc

 

 

* even during deep sleep next night....

 

and also....after death.....and maybe, who knows....during (a) next

life-time(s)......

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From the point of view of thought, truth is the negation of

falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real remains.

 

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

>

>

> yes...

>

> it take no effort for Truth to " be " this " eternal destruction " ....

>

> just like it take no effort for an ego-mind *....to ignore this

> Truth....

 

love it

 

> Marc

>

>

> * even during deep sleep next night....

>

> and also....after death.....and maybe, who knows....during (a) next

> life-time(s)......

>

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- fewtch <fewtch a écrit :

>

>

>

> From the point of view of thought, truth is the

> negation of

> falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real

> remains.

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta ,

> " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers

> defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is

> never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence

> with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there,

> no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being

> attached to the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

> remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

> ..............................

>

> Yeah?

> also, it is eternal creation,

> again and again and again!

>

> Patricia

> >

 

oh yeah...

how did I miss that?

 

I think I was just about to write that

but then...

wham! it got destructed!

 

eternal creation

again and again and again...

 

always wiping the slate clean

before a new wave comes in

 

but maybe am just guessing

as how could I know when

just now a tsunami crashing in

 

 

Bill

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Because there is suffering,

Even in a dream,

And countless injustice...

And no power of mine to ever defeat it..

And yet a movement toward all of that,

A sensitivity.

How can I say, I am nothing,

It is all a dream...

I know I can make space for true corrective power,

Healing substance that I do not generate myself,

Yet this is a choice :

To make room..

And this is recognition :

There is a tangible power.

And whether I am aware of this Presence or not,

as long as I invite it,

It acts.

How can one say : I am nothing?

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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--- billrishel <illusyn a écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- fewtch <fewtch a écrit :

>

>

>

> From the point of view of thought, truth is the

> negation of

> falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real

> remains.

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta ,

> " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers

> defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is

> never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not

that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of

presence

> with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense

of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always

there,

> no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being

> attached to the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

> remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

> ..............................

>

> Yeah?

> also, it is eternal creation,

> again and again and again!

>

> Patricia

> >

 

oh yeah...

how did I miss that?

 

I think I was just about to write that

but then...

wham! it got destructed!

 

eternal creation

again and again and again...

 

always wiping the slate clean

before a new wave comes in

 

but maybe am just guessing

as how could I know when

just now a tsunami crashing in

 

 

Bill

 

do you hang on or do you go with the tsunami?

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit :

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

> <gdtige@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > --- fewtch <fewtch@> a écrit :

> >

> >

> >

> > From the point of view of thought, truth is the

> > negation of

> > falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real

> > remains.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> > <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> > Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers

> > defeat the

> > > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is

> > never the

> > > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not

> that

> > > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of

> presence

> > with

> > > > > > which you become one

> > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense

> of

> > > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always

> there,

> > no

> > > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > > Patricia

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being

> > attached to the

> > > > appearing world...until death

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

> > remain " here "

> > (and

> > > > now)

> > > >

> > >

> > > Truth is not " something "

> > >

> > > Truth is eternal destruction

> > >

> > > the devastation of what was

> > >

> > > again and again and again

> > ..............................

> >

> > Yeah?

> > also, it is eternal creation,

> > again and again and again!

> >

> > Patricia

> > >

>

> oh yeah...

> how did I miss that?

>

> I think I was just about to write that

> but then...

> wham! it got destructed!

>

> eternal creation

> again and again and again...

>

> always wiping the slate clean

> before a new wave comes in

>

> but maybe am just guessing

> as how could I know when

> just now a tsunami crashing in

>

>

> Bill

>

> do you hang on or do you go with the tsunami?

>

> Patricia

>

 

hang on?

 

no...

and hardly an option

 

little bits of what may have

have been self flying around

like debris...

 

and " going with " not an option

either

 

this tsunami seems to have my soul already

so way beyond acquiesence here

 

whatever this is

which at times seems like tsunami

at times like electricity striking through

at times like coils of liquid light swirling...

it is underway

and no sense to be made of it

 

nothing to think about

in this breathless intensity

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

 

 

 

So what about devastating your big container with cheap zealotry

bull, from which you keep pouring again and again and again?

What would Bill be without it?

 

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--- billrishel <illusyn a écrit :

 

> Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia <gdtige wrote:

> >

> >

> > --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit :

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia

> > <gdtige@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > --- fewtch <fewtch@> a écrit :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From the point of view of thought, truth is the

> > > negation of

> > > falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real

> > > remains.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta ,

> " billrishel "

> > > <illusyn@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > > " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> > > Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers

> > > defeat the

> > > > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood

> is

> > > never the

> > > > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not

> > that

> > > > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of

> > presence

> > > with

> > > > > > > which you become one

> > > > > > > is what is important. Love with that

> sense

> > of

> > > > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always

> > there,

> > > no

> > > > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > > > Patricia

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in

> being

> > > attached to the

> > > > > appearing world...until death

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but

> Truth

> > > remain " here "

> > > (and

> > > > > now)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not " something "

> > > >

> > > > Truth is eternal destruction

> > > >

> > > > the devastation of what was

> > > >

> > > > again and again and again

> > > ..............................

> > >

> > > Yeah?

> > > also, it is eternal creation,

> > > again and again and again!

> > >

> > > Patricia

> > > >

> >

> > oh yeah...

> > how did I miss that?

> >

> > I think I was just about to write that

> > but then...

> > wham! it got destructed!

> >

> > eternal creation

> > again and again and again...

> >

> > always wiping the slate clean

> > before a new wave comes in

> >

> > but maybe am just guessing

> > as how could I know when

> > just now a tsunami crashing in

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > do you hang on or do you go with the tsunami?

> >

> > Patricia

> >

>

> hang on?

>

> no...

> and hardly an option

>

> little bits of what may have

> have been self flying around

> like debris...

>

> and " going with " not an option

> either

>

> this tsunami seems to have my soul already

> so way beyond acquiesence here

>

> whatever this is

> which at times seems like tsunami

> at times like electricity striking through

> at times like coils of liquid light swirling...

> it is underway

> and no sense to be made of it

>

> nothing to think about

> in this breathless intensity

 

........................................................

Then Bill, seaze the moment!

Make that salade dressing without the blender.

>

>

>

 

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In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" billrishel " illusyn

Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > purpose of the list.

> > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > eternal truth, it

> > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > materiel but you are what

> > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > which you become one

> > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > presence, write and walk

> > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > need of effort.

> > > Patricia

> > >

> > >

> > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > but what is lived.

> > > Bill

> > >

>

>

> ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> appearing world...until death

>

> Marc

>

> Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " (and

> now)

>

 

Truth is not " something "

 

Truth is eternal destruction

 

the devastation of what was

 

again and again and again

 

 

 

 

Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of what?

Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't destroy anything,

it

doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can be noticed,

or not.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- fewtch <fewtch a écrit :

>

>

>

> From the point of view of thought, truth is the

> negation of

> falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real

> remains.

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta ,

> " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers

> defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is

> never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence

> with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there,

> no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being

> attached to the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

> remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

> ..............................

>

> Yeah?

> also, it is eternal creation,

> again and again and again!

>

> Patricia

> >

>

>

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/3/2006 3:37:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" OConnor Patricia " gdtige

Wed May 3, 2006 2:53pm(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

 

--- fewtch <fewtch a écrit :

 

 

 

From the point of view of thought, truth is the

negation of

falsehood, i.e. eliminate the false and the real

remains.

 

Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta ,

" dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor

Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers

defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is

never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence

with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there,

no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being

attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

...............................

 

Yeah?

also, it is eternal creation,

again and again and again!

 

Patricia

 

 

 

Truth isn't doing anything. It's only your mind that moves.

 

Phil

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" OConnor Patricia " gdtige

Wed May 3, 2006 4:05pm(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

 

 

Because there is suffering,

Even in a dream,

And countless injustice...

And no power of mine to ever defeat it..

And yet a movement toward all of that,

A sensitivity.

How can I say, I am nothing,

It is all a dream...

I know I can make space for true corrective power,

Healing substance that I do not generate myself,

Yet this is a choice :

To make room..

And this is recognition :

There is a tangible power.

And whether I am aware of this Presence or not,

as long as I invite it,

It acts.

How can one say : I am nothing?

 

Patricia

 

 

 

The true power has no need to correct. Reality knows nothing of suffering,

injustice. These are things you place between yourself and Reality. The healing

is your healing, which occurs when you see that there is no need for

healing. When have you ever seen presence move to correct anything? That's only

your

dream.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" lissbon2002 " lissbon2002

Wed May 3, 2006 4:29pm(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

 

 

 

So what about devastating your big container with cheap zealotry

bull, from which you keep pouring again and again and again?

What would Bill be without it?

 

Len

 

 

 

This brings to mind an interesting experience I'm having on another forum

now. This forum has a victim energy and folks tend to feel threatened and start

to leave. Three times now, I've purposely poked the ego to get the one

leaving to reengage in order to defend himself. When he comes back and attacks,

I

roll over and admit to all the accusations made in order to remove the

defensive focus. At that point, conversation begins again when the individual

feels

he has made his point and won.

 

The interesting part is the process of emptying myself of all desire for

defense in the face of even the most absurd accusations, which actually brings a

peace, apparently because literally nothing remains of ego image left that

might be defended, and it's of no importance at all.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " billrishel " illusyn

> Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT)

> Re: truth is what is lived

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

>

>

>

>

> Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of

what?

> Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't

destroy anything, it

> doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can be

noticed,

> or not.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

Noticing it destroys illusions though.

Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the

actual destruction ;-)

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " billrishel " illusyn@

> > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT)

> > Re: truth is what is lived

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to

the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of

> what?

> > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't

> destroy anything, it

> > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can

be

> noticed,

> > or not.

> >

> > Phil

>

>

>

> Noticing it destroys illusions though.

> Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the

> actual destruction ;-)

>

> Len

 

 

your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a

prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating your

own " truth " ........

 

i hope it's not the case.....:)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002

> Wed May 3, 2006 4:29pm(PDT)

> Re: truth is what is lived

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to

the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

>

>

>

> So what about devastating your big container with cheap zealotry

> bull, from which you keep pouring again and again and again?

> What would Bill be without it?

>

> Len

>

>

>

> This brings to mind an interesting experience I'm having on

another forum

> now. This forum has a victim energy and folks tend to feel

threatened and start

> to leave. Three times now, I've purposely poked the ego to get the

one

> leaving to reengage in order to defend himself. When he comes

back and attacks, I

> roll over and admit to all the accusations made in order to

remove the

> defensive focus. At that point, conversation begins again when

the individual feels

> he has made his point and won.

 

 

 

But does this conversation have a meaning? ;-)

 

 

 

> The interesting part is the process of emptying myself of all

desire for

> defense in the face of even the most absurd accusations, which

actually brings a

> peace, apparently because literally nothing remains of ego image

left that

> might be defended, and it's of no importance at all.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

Sounds like fun :-)

What forum is that, if I´m allowed to have a look?

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002@

> > Wed May 3, 2006 4:29pm(PDT)

> > Re: truth is what is lived

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

> <gdtige@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > > which you become one

> > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > > Patricia

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to

> the

> > > > appearing world...until death

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

> remain " here "

> > (and

> > > > now)

> > > >

> > >

> > > Truth is not " something "

> > >

> > > Truth is eternal destruction

> > >

> > > the devastation of what was

> > >

> > > again and again and again

> >

> >

> >

> > So what about devastating your big container with cheap zealotry

> > bull, from which you keep pouring again and again and again?

> > What would Bill be without it?

> >

> > Len

> >

> >

> >

> > This brings to mind an interesting experience I'm having on

> another forum

> > now. This forum has a victim energy and folks tend to feel

> threatened and start

> > to leave. Three times now, I've purposely poked the ego to get

the

> one

> > leaving to reengage in order to defend himself. When he comes

> back and attacks, I

> > roll over and admit to all the accusations made in order to

> remove the

> > defensive focus. At that point, conversation begins again when

> the individual feels

> > he has made his point and won.

>

>

>

> But does this conversation have a meaning? ;-)

>

>

>

> > The interesting part is the process of emptying myself of all

> desire for

> > defense in the face of even the most absurd accusations, which

> actually brings a

> > peace, apparently because literally nothing remains of ego image

> left that

> > might be defended, and it's of no importance at all.

> >

> > Phil

>

>

>

> Sounds like fun :-)

> What forum is that, if I´m allowed to have a look?

>

> Len

 

 

 

I agree, this sounds like fun. I've made quite a study recently in

group dynamics and singular behaviour myself, and it is a hoot!

.......bob

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > " billrishel " illusyn@

> > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT)

> > > Re: truth is what is lived

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

> <gdtige@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > > which you become one

> > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > > Patricia

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to

> the

> > > > appearing world...until death

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

remain " here "

> > (and

> > > > now)

> > > >

> > >

> > > Truth is not " something "

> > >

> > > Truth is eternal destruction

> > >

> > > the devastation of what was

> > >

> > > again and again and again

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction

of

> > what?

> > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't

> > destroy anything, it

> > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It

can

> be

> > noticed,

> > > or not.

> > >

> > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> > Noticing it destroys illusions though.

> > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the

> > actual destruction ;-)

> >

> > Len

>

>

> your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a

> prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating

your

> own " truth " ........

>

> i hope it's not the case.....:)

>

> Marc

 

 

 

First you create an image and then you hope it´s not the case.

Yet another way of keeping oneself busy :-)

 

Len

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In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" lissbon2002 " lissbon2002

Thu May 4, 2006 6:01am(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " billrishel " illusyn

> Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT)

> Re: truth is what is lived

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > which you become one

> > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > need of effort.

> > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > but what is lived.

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

> > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the

> > appearing world...until death

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

(and

> > now)

> >

>

> Truth is not " something "

>

> Truth is eternal destruction

>

> the devastation of what was

>

> again and again and again

>

>

>

>

> Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of

what?

> Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't

destroy anything, it

> doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can be

noticed,

> or not.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

Noticing it destroys illusions though.

Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the

actual destruction ;-)

 

Len

 

 

 

 

I differentiate between absolute and relative truth. Noticing self deception

destroys it. Noticing illusion dismantles it. (I hope :) Noticing Truth

causes illusion to be noticed for the illusion it is. The illusion remains.

 

I don't really have a problem with calling Truth creation and destruction

but it doesn't seem to do justice to Truth, which is infinitely more than that.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" dennis_travis33 " dennis_travis33

Thu May 4, 2006 6:06am(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " billrishel " illusyn@

> > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT)

> > Re: truth is what is lived

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to

the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of

> what?

> > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't

> destroy anything, it

> > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can

be

> noticed,

> > or not.

> >

> > Phil

>

>

>

> Noticing it destroys illusions though.

> Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the

> actual destruction ;-)

>

> Len

 

 

your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a

prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating your

own " truth " ........

 

i hope it's not the case.....:)

 

Marc

 

 

 

If you are reminded of such things, it may be wise to pay close attention to

such thoughts. :)

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/4/2006 9:44:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" lissbon2002 " lissbon2002

Thu May 4, 2006 9:31am(PDT)

Re: truth is what is lived

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002

> Wed May 3, 2006 4:29pm(PDT)

> Re: truth is what is lived

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the

> > > > > purpose of the list.

> > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the

> > > > > eternal truth, it

> > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that

> > > > > materiel but you are what

> > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with

> > > > > which you become one

> > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of

> > > > > presence, write and walk

> > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence.

> > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no

> > > > > need of effort.

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth is not what is understood,

> > > > > but what is lived.

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to

the

> > > appearing world...until death

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth

remain " here "

> (and

> > > now)

> > >

> >

> > Truth is not " something "

> >

> > Truth is eternal destruction

> >

> > the devastation of what was

> >

> > again and again and again

>

>

>

> So what about devastating your big container with cheap zealotry

> bull, from which you keep pouring again and again and again?

> What would Bill be without it?

>

> Len

>

>

>

> This brings to mind an interesting experience I'm having on

another forum

> now. This forum has a victim energy and folks tend to feel

threatened and start

> to leave. Three times now, I've purposely poked the ego to get the

one

> leaving to reengage in order to defend himself. When he comes

back and attacks, I

> roll over and admit to all the accusations made in order to

remove the

> defensive focus. At that point, conversation begins again when

the individual feels

> he has made his point and won.

 

 

 

But does this conversation have a meaning? ;-)

 

 

 

> The interesting part is the process of emptying myself of all

desire for

> defense in the face of even the most absurd accusations, which

actually brings a

> peace, apparently because literally nothing remains of ego image

left that

> might be defended, and it's of no importance at all.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

Sounds like fun :-)

What forum is that, if I´m allowed to have a look?

 

Len

 

 

 

It sounds like to fun to watch me get crucified? Hehe. Okay, yeah, I can see

that. :)

 

I'll send ya the link privately. First ego explosion happened a month or so

ago, second about 2 weeks ago, and I just poked at the latest guy who left,

but he hasn't returned yet. It's definitely not high level spiritual discussion

going on. I was asked to drop by cause the forum had died. It's pretty clear

why.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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