Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > > > which you become one > > > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to > > the > > > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth > remain " here " > > > (and > > > > > now) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction > of > > > what? > > > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > > > destroy anything, it > > > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It > can > > be > > > noticed, > > > > or not. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > > > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > > > actual destruction ;-) > > > > > > Len > > > > > > your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a > > prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating > your > > own " truth " ........ > > > > i hope it's not the case..... > > > > Marc > > > > First you create an image and then you hope it´s not the case. > Yet another way of keeping oneself busy :-) > > Len don't worry....i'm not realy busy with this your ego-minded talk in here Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " dennis_travis33 > Thu May 4, 2006 6:06am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > > which you become one > > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to > the > > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " > > (and > > > > now) > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of > > what? > > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > > destroy anything, it > > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can > be > > noticed, > > > or not. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > > actual destruction ;-) > > > > Len > > > your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a > prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating your > own " truth " ........ > > i hope it's not the case..... > > Marc > > > > If you are reminded of such things, it may be wise to pay close attention to > such thoughts. > > Phil > > Phil.....i'm tired to read all this your interesting answers....to everybody and everything written in here.... it's not of my intent to talk with restless minds....sorry Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 > Thu May 4, 2006 6:01am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > which you become one > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " > (and > > > now) > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of > what? > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > destroy anything, it > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can be > noticed, > > or not. > > > > Phil > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > actual destruction ;-) > > Len > > > > > I differentiate between absolute and relative truth. Noticing self deception > destroys it. Noticing illusion dismantles it. (I hope Noticing Truth > causes illusion to be noticed for the illusion it is. The illusion remains. So maybe this Truth is just another illusion? That´s my guess, cause I don´t see how an illusion can remain when the perception undisturbed by illusions takes place. > I don't really have a problem with calling Truth creation and destruction > but it doesn't seem to do justice to Truth, which is infinitely more than that. > > Phil I don´t see the need to call it anything. Better to see what is thwarting perception, because as long as this disturbance is operating, truth will be just another image. When the fact is there, why talk about it, when it isn´t, talking about it will not make it happen. Len PS: thanks for the link :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " dennis_travis33 > Thu May 4, 2006 6:06am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > > which you become one > > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to > the > > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " > > (and > > > > now) > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of > > what? > > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > > destroy anything, it > > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can > be > > noticed, > > > or not. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > > actual destruction ;-) > > > > Len > > > your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a > prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating your > own " truth " ........ > > i hope it's not the case..... > > Marc > > > > If you are reminded of such things, it may be wise to pay close attention to > such thoughts. > > Phil LOL! Touché. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 In a message dated 5/5/2006 9:13:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " dennis_travis33 Fri May 5, 2006 0:30am(PDT) Re: truth is what is lived Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " dennis_travis33 > Thu May 4, 2006 6:06am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > > --- In Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > > which you become one > > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to > the > > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " > > (and > > > > now) > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of > > what? > > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > > destroy anything, it > > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can > be > > noticed, > > > or not. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > > actual destruction ;-) > > > > Len > > > your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in a > prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating your > own " truth " ........ > > i hope it's not the case..... > > Marc > > > > If you are reminded of such things, it may be wise to pay close attention to > such thoughts. > > Phil > > Phil.....i'm tired to read all this your interesting answers....to everybody and everything written in here.... it's not of my intent to talk with restless minds....sorry Marc It is not your intent to be challenged........only to challenge. How do my comments differ in tone from yours? There is no restless mind here, so where is this restless mind you perceive? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight > > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > > > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > > > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > > <gdtige@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > > > > which you become one > > > > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached > to > > > the > > > > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth > > remain " here " > > > > (and > > > > > > now) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > > > > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > > > > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction > > of > > > > what? > > > > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > > > > destroy anything, it > > > > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It > > can > > > be > > > > noticed, > > > > > or not. > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > > > > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > > > > actual destruction ;-) > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > your whole of attitude......reminds me someone who is sitting in > a > > > prison........seeing only walls around.......living and creating > > your > > > own " truth " ........ > > > > > > i hope it's not the case..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > First you create an image and then you hope it´s not the case. > > Yet another way of keeping oneself busy :-) > > > > Len > > > don't worry....i'm not realy busy with this your ego-minded talk in > here > > > > Marc I know. You are busy with your own ego minded talk. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 In a message dated 5/5/2006 9:13:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 Fri May 5, 2006 7:42am(PDT) Re: truth is what is lived Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 8:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 > Thu May 4, 2006 6:01am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:10:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " billrishel " illusyn@ > > Wed May 3, 2006 5:51am(PDT) > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many questions or too many answers defeat the > > > > > purpose of the list. > > > > > Whatever can be perceived or understood is never the > > > > > eternal truth, it > > > > > is the materiel, mind stuff. You are not that > > > > > materiel but you are what > > > > > understand that materiel.The sense of presence with > > > > > which you become one > > > > > is what is important. Love with that sense of > > > > > presence, write and walk > > > > > and sleep with that sense of presence. > > > > > > And that sense of presence is always there, no > > > > > need of effort. > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is not what is understood, > > > > > but what is lived. > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....impossible to survive the Truth....in being attached to the > > > appearing world...until death > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: world(s) are coming and going......but Truth remain " here " > (and > > > now) > > > > > > > Truth is not " something " > > > > Truth is eternal destruction > > > > the devastation of what was > > > > again and again and again > > > > > > > > > > Truth is eternal destruction? In who's nightmare? Destruction of > what? > > Illusion? Illusion never existed to begin with. Truth doesn't > destroy anything, it > > doesn't do anything, it doesn't ever change, it just IS. It can be > noticed, > > or not. > > > > Phil > > > > Noticing it destroys illusions though. > Bill is trying to destroy his in his imagination, to avoid the > actual destruction ;-) > > Len > > > > > I differentiate between absolute and relative truth. Noticing self deception > destroys it. Noticing illusion dismantles it. (I hope Noticing Truth > causes illusion to be noticed for the illusion it is. The illusion remains. So maybe this Truth is just another illusion? That´s my guess, cause I don´t see how an illusion can remain when the perception undisturbed by illusions takes place. Well, but the 'enlightened' master's world remains. > I don't really have a problem with calling Truth creation and destruction > but it doesn't seem to do justice to Truth, which is infinitely more than that. > > Phil I don´t see the need to call it anything. Better to see what is thwarting perception, because as long as this disturbance is operating, truth will be just another image. When the fact is there, why talk about it, when it isn´t, talking about it will not make it happen. Len PS: thanks for the link :-) True, and yer welcome. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/5/2006 9:13:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 > Fri May 5, 2006 7:42am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > So maybe this Truth is just another illusion? > That´s my guess, cause I don´t see how an illusion can remain when > the perception undisturbed by illusions takes place. Well, but the 'enlightened' master's world remains. You mean your idea of enlightened master´s world? ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 In a message dated 5/6/2006 5:45:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 Sat May 6, 2006 4:57am(PDT) Re: truth is what is lived Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/5/2006 9:13:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 > Fri May 5, 2006 7:42am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > So maybe this Truth is just another illusion? > That´s my guess, cause I don´t see how an illusion can remain when > the perception undisturbed by illusions takes place. Well, but the 'enlightened' master's world remains. You mean your idea of enlightened master´s world? ;-) Len Well, going back to your original statement, the assumption is that perception ends with the knowing that illusion is illusion. It's like saying that once it's realized that the mirage is not a pool of water, that the perception of what looks like a pool of water vanishes, which of course isn't so. The illusion is not a misperception, it's the 'act' of perception itself. Perception is still going on within the consciousness that you are, it's just that it is within you rather than you being within it. Yes, my creation/perception of enlightened master's world. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/6/2006 5:45:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002 > Sat May 6, 2006 4:57am(PDT) > Re: truth is what is lived > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2006 9:13:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " lissbon2002 " lissbon2002@ > > Fri May 5, 2006 7:42am(PDT) > > Re: truth is what is lived > > > > So maybe this Truth is just another illusion? > > That´s my guess, cause I don´t see how an illusion can remain > when > > the perception undisturbed by illusions takes place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, but the 'enlightened' master's world remains. > > > > You mean your idea of enlightened master´s world? ;-) > > Len > > > > Well, going back to your original statement, the assumption is that > perception ends with the knowing that illusion is illusion. > It's like saying that > once it's realized that the mirage is not a pool of water, that the perception > of what looks like a pool of water vanishes, which of course isn't so. It is very much so, to my perception. If the imaginary nature of some thought-image is seen, it collapses, because the only thing which gave it energy was the belief in its reality. If you were brainwashed to believe that violence is the best way to deal with anger but you discover for yourself that it is not true, then the thought of violence as a good solution for anger will not occur anymore. And if it does, you can be sure, that it´s because you´re somehow not completely free from this belief/illusion yet. The belief is the only thing which gives illusions fuel. I´m not talking about functional illusions, like a movie, for instance. In this case you are fully aware that the movie is an illusion, but chose to " believe " in it in order to enjoy the movie. > The illusion is not a misperception, it's the 'act' of perception itself. It is a misperception, because an image created by thought is being taken for a real thing. Like when you speak of the world of an enlightened master. This is not a fact, it´s a thought-construct, your imagination created an idea of it, and if you don´t realize that it is just a thought-content, you may start considering it as something real. The more unrecognized thought-images are being taken for facts, the more one is lost in his imaginary world. This imaginary world is a product of thought, and depends entirely on ones conditioning: the religious background, the books one have read, once desires etc... Once you realize that the image you created has no real existence, the need to perpetuate it ends. > Perception is still going on within the consciousness that you are, it's just > that it is within you rather than you being within it. > > Yes, my creation/perception of enlightened master's world. > > Phil Your creation/perception of an image of enlightened masters world. Can you see the essential difference between this thought-image and direct perception of whatever you see now? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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