Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of separation. It is the desire to improve that which never was. It is medicine for a disease that never existed. It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the machinery out of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of > separation. > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the machinery out > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > toombaru > the hot potatoe bounces between the palms until that last phrase whereupon poof! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " toombaru2006 " lastrain Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) Spiritual Growth The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of separation. It is the desire to improve that which never was. It is medicine for a disease that never existed. It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the machinery out of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. toombaru What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to improve our external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve ourselves. When that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so that we can pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there and they're irritating but we have to leave em there. Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will make us happy, and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in the cushions. Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has been the ego we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, and this is where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is not playing spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates more of it. It doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't allow for ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up and look at what we've kept hidden there for so long. None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice that we're not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that examining ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and we notice that the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love others. We find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, attachments, projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace are sourced from within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the corner and sucks it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it knows by now this is no game. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > Spiritual Growth > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of > separation. > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the machinery out > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > toombaru > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to improve our > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve ourselves. When > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so that we can > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there and they're > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will make us happy, > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in the cushions. > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has been the ego > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, and this is > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is not playing > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates more of it. It > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't allow for > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up and look at what > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice that we're > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that examining > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and we notice that > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love others. We > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, attachments, > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace are sourced from > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the corner and sucks > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it knows by now this > is no game. > > Phil > .....great story.... and all this without any " effort " ....wow..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of > > separation. > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > machinery out > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to > improve our > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > ourselves. When > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so that > we can > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there and > they're > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will make > us happy, > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in > the cushions. > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has been > the ego > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, and > this is > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is not > playing > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates more > of it. It > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't > allow for > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up and > look at what > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice > that we're > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that > examining > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and we > notice that > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love > others. We > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > attachments, > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace are > sourced from > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the > corner and sucks > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it knows > by now this > > is no game. > > > > Phil > > > ....great story.... > > and all this without any " effort " ....wow..... > > > > Marc Ps: what is it....what let everything appear soo much " serious " ....? again....and again..... maybe " Truth " .....which you don't accept as being same " destructive " force...than " creative " ....? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > Spiritual Growth > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of > separation. > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the machinery out > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > toombaru > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to improve our > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve ourselves. When > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so that we can > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there and they're > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will make us happy, > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in the cushions. > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has been the ego > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, and this is > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is not playing > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates more of it. It > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't allow for > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up and look at what > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice that we're > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that examining > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and we notice that > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love others. We > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, attachments, > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace are sourced from > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the corner and sucks > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it knows by now this > is no game. > > Phil > Phil, Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of those contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing separation ? Then: You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that there are two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This again is separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The same is with loving others: The split goes on. And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? The knower again is separation. That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove meaning into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! Werner > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of > > separation. > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > machinery out > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to > improve our > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > ourselves. When > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so that > we can > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there and > they're > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will make > us happy, > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in > the cushions. > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has been > the ego > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, and > this is > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is not > playing > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates more > of it. It > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't > allow for > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up and > look at what > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice > that we're > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that > examining > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and we > notice that > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love > others. We > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > attachments, > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace are > sourced from > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the > corner and sucks > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it knows > by now this > > is no game. > > > > Phil > > > Phil, > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of those > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > separation ? > > Then: > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that there are > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This again is > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The same is > with loving others: The split goes on. > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? The > knower again is separation. > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove meaning > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > Werner > > ....take care that you don't get trouble with the famous " Beloved " .... Marc Ps: nice view about this your described love...which is splitting.... again...and again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt to > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory sense of > > separation. > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > machinery out > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to > improve our > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > ourselves. When > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so that > we can > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there and > they're > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will make > us happy, > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in > the cushions. > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has been > the ego > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, and > this is > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is not > playing > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates more > of it. It > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't > allow for > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up and > look at what > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice > that we're > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that > examining > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and we > notice that > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love > others. We > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > attachments, > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace are > sourced from > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the > corner and sucks > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it knows > by now this > > is no game. > > > > Phil > > > Phil, > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of those > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > separation ? > > Then: > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that there are > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This again is > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The same is > with loving others: The split goes on. > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? The > knower again is separation. > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove meaning > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > Werner Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling fools who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am also one of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an enlightened being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals and other separations on the internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt > to > > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory > sense of > > > separation. > > > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > > machinery out > > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its own > > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try to > > improve our > > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > > ourselves. When > > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so > that > > we can > > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there > and > > they're > > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will > make > > us happy, > > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps in > > the cushions. > > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has > been > > the ego > > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, > and > > this is > > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is > not > > playing > > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates > more > > of it. It > > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't > > allow for > > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up > and > > look at what > > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice > > that we're > > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice that > > examining > > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, and > we > > notice that > > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love > > others. We > > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > > attachments, > > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace > are > > sourced from > > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the > > corner and sucks > > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it > knows > > by now this > > > is no game. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > Phil, > > > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of those > > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > > separation ? > > > > Then: > > > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that there > are > > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This > again is > > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The same is > > with loving others: The split goes on. > > > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? The > > knower again is separation. > > > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove > meaning > > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > > > Werner > > Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling fools > who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am also one > of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an enlightened > being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals and > other separations on the internet. > > > > yes....little difficult to be at the feet of an " enlightened Master " in here..... Those feets.....can't be touched through the screen......true Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > > Phil, > > > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of those > > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > > separation ? > > > > Then: > > > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that there > are > > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This > again is > > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The same is > > with loving others: The split goes on. > > > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? The > > knower again is separation. > > > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove > meaning > > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > > > Werner > > Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling fools > who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am also one > of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an enlightened > being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals and > other separations on the internet. > > > > You are right, Johan, Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a realized being I wouldn't waste my time here on this list. Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the attempt > > to > > > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory > > sense of > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > > > machinery out > > > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on its > own > > > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we try > to > > > improve our > > > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > > > ourselves. When > > > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions so > > that > > > we can > > > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still there > > and > > > they're > > > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will > > make > > > us happy, > > > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the lumps > in > > > the cushions. > > > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along has > > been > > > the ego > > > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build up, > > and > > > this is > > > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This is > > not > > > playing > > > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates > > more > > > of it. It > > > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It doesn't > > > allow for > > > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em up > > and > > > look at what > > > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to notice > > > that we're > > > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice > that > > > examining > > > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, > and > > we > > > notice that > > > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to love > > > others. We > > > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > > > attachments, > > > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and peace > > are > > > sourced from > > > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in the > > > corner and sucks > > > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it > > knows > > > by now this > > > > is no game. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > > > > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of those > > > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > > > separation ? > > > > > > Then: > > > > > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that there > > are > > > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This > > again is > > > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The same is > > > with loving others: The split goes on. > > > > > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? The > > > knower again is separation. > > > > > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove > > meaning > > > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > > > > > Werner > > > > Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling fools > > who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am also one > > of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an enlightened > > being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals and > > other separations on the internet. > > > > > > > yes....little difficult to be at the feet of an " enlightened Master " > in here..... > > Those feets.....can't be touched through the screen......true > > Marc Then wash your own feet, 'cause the one and only guru dwells within yourself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > > > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > > > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the > attempt > > > to > > > > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory > > > sense of > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > > > > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > > > > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > > > > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > > > > machinery out > > > > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on > its > > own > > > > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we > try > > to > > > > improve our > > > > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > > > > ourselves. When > > > > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions > so > > > that > > > > we can > > > > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still > there > > > and > > > > they're > > > > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > > > > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this will > > > make > > > > us happy, > > > > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the > lumps > > in > > > > the cushions. > > > > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along > has > > > been > > > > the ego > > > > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build > up, > > > and > > > > this is > > > > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. This > is > > > not > > > > playing > > > > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > > > > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it creates > > > more > > > > of it. It > > > > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It > doesn't > > > > allow for > > > > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em > up > > > and > > > > look at what > > > > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > > > > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to > notice > > > > that we're > > > > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice > > that > > > > examining > > > > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving it, > > and > > > we > > > > notice that > > > > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > > > > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to > love > > > > others. We > > > > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > > > > attachments, > > > > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and > peace > > > are > > > > sourced from > > > > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in > the > > > > corner and sucks > > > > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but it > > > knows > > > > by now this > > > > > is no game. > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > > > > > > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of > those > > > > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > > > > separation ? > > > > > > > > Then: > > > > > > > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that > there > > > are > > > > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This > > > again is > > > > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The > same is > > > > with loving others: The split goes on. > > > > > > > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of this ? > The > > > > knower again is separation. > > > > > > > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove > > > meaning > > > > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling > fools > > > who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am also > one > > > of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an enlightened > > > being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals and > > > other separations on the internet. > > > > > > > > > > yes....little difficult to be at the feet of an " enlightened > Master " > > in here..... > > > > Those feets.....can't be touched through the screen......true > > > > Marc > > Then wash your own feet, 'cause the one and only guru dwells within > yourself. > > > ....ahh...so why missing an enlightened in here?.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > > > > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > > > > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the > > attempt > > > > to > > > > > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the illusory > > > > sense of > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is the > > > > > machinery out > > > > > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on > > its > > > own > > > > > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of Awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we > > try > > > to > > > > > improve our > > > > > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to improve > > > > > ourselves. When > > > > > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa cushions > > so > > > > that > > > > > we can > > > > > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still > > there > > > > and > > > > > they're > > > > > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this > will > > > > make > > > > > us happy, > > > > > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the > > lumps > > > in > > > > > the cushions. > > > > > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all along > > has > > > > been > > > > > the ego > > > > > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and build > > up, > > > > and > > > > > this is > > > > > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. > This > > is > > > > not > > > > > playing > > > > > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it > creates > > > > more > > > > > of it. It > > > > > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It > > doesn't > > > > > allow for > > > > > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift em > > up > > > > and > > > > > look at what > > > > > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > > > > > > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to > > notice > > > > > that we're > > > > > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We notice > > > that > > > > > examining > > > > > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving > it, > > > and > > > > we > > > > > notice that > > > > > > the only reason it remained is because it remained hidden. > > > > > > > > > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to > > love > > > > > others. We > > > > > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > > > > > attachments, > > > > > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and > > peace > > > > are > > > > > sourced from > > > > > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits in > > the > > > > > corner and sucks > > > > > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but > it > > > > knows > > > > > by now this > > > > > > is no game. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > > > > > > > > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of > > those > > > > > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > > > > > separation ? > > > > > > > > > > Then: > > > > > > > > > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that > > there > > > > are > > > > > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. This > > > > again is > > > > > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The > > same is > > > > > with loving others: The split goes on. > > > > > > > > > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of > this ? > > The > > > > > knower again is separation. > > > > > > > > > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to shove > > > > meaning > > > > > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling > > fools > > > > who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am also > > one > > > > of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an enlightened > > > > being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals > and > > > > other separations on the internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....little difficult to be at the feet of an " enlightened > > Master " > > > in here..... > > > > > > Those feets.....can't be touched through the screen......true > > > > > > Marc > > > > Then wash your own feet, 'cause the one and only guru dwells within > > yourself. > > > > > > > ...ahh...so why missing an enlightened in here?.... > > Marc > !! because it is exactly what is missing in here! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:10:05 PM Pacific Daylight > > > Time, > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain@ > > > > > > > Wed May 3, 2006 6:49pm(PDT) > > > > > > > Spiritual Growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The driving force behind all 'spiritual growth' is the > > > attempt > > > > > to > > > > > > > assuage the innate uneasiness inherent within the > illusory > > > > > sense of > > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the desire to improve that which never was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is medicine for a disease that never existed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is makeup.....applied to the mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is discontent with the perceived status quo that is > the > > > > > > machinery out > > > > > > > of which the identified entity pulsates.........feeds on > > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > fear....and then evaporates back in the light of > Awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you describe is mostly the process of life. First we > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > improve our > > > > > > > external circumstances. When that fails, we try to > improve > > > > > > ourselves. When > > > > > > > that fails, we start hiding things under the sofa > cushions > > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > we can > > > > > > > pretend we are more than we are, but the lumps are still > > > there > > > > > and > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > irritating but we have to leave em there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then we hop on the spirituality bus cause we think this > > will > > > > > make > > > > > > us happy, > > > > > > > and we start looking for things ego can use to hide the > > > lumps > > > > in > > > > > > the cushions. > > > > > > > Finally, we're forced to admit that the problem all > along > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > the ego > > > > > > > we've been trying to improve and hide pieces of and > build > > > up, > > > > > and > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > where some find the courage to start disassembling it. > > This > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > spiritual games, but rather a search for truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The search for truth does not assuage uneasiness, it > > creates > > > > > more > > > > > > of it. It > > > > > > > doesn't make ego better, it weakens and humbles it. It > > > doesn't > > > > > > allow for > > > > > > > ignoring the lumps in the cushion, it forces us to lift > em > > > up > > > > > and > > > > > > look at what > > > > > > > we've kept hidden there for so long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of this is fun, but we keep going cause we start to > > > notice > > > > > > that we're > > > > > > > not as fearful or as judgmental as we used to be. We > notice > > > > that > > > > > > examining > > > > > > > ego's contents has the interesting effect of dissolving > > it, > > > > and > > > > > we > > > > > > notice that > > > > > > > the only reason it remained is because it remained > hidden. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We learn to love ourselves and this makes it possible to > > > love > > > > > > others. We > > > > > > > find that we are the source of love. Ego defenses, fears, > > > > > > attachments, > > > > > > > projections are gone and this leads to peace. As love and > > > peace > > > > > are > > > > > > sourced from > > > > > > > within, this brings many moments of great joy. Ego sits > in > > > the > > > > > > corner and sucks > > > > > > > it's thumb and waits to see what's gonna happen next, but > > it > > > > > knows > > > > > > by now this > > > > > > > is no game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is examining the ego contents, is there an examiner ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Contents are getting conscious, but who is the observer of > > > those > > > > > > contents ? Isn't the observer just another reaction causing > > > > > > separation ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Then: > > > > > > > > > > > > You really have learned to love yourself ? Which means that > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > two Phils, the one who loves and the other who is loved. > This > > > > > again is > > > > > > separation, the split between the lover and the loved. The > > > same is > > > > > > with loving others: The split goes on. > > > > > > > > > > > > And - you are the source of love ? Who is the knower of > > this ? > > > The > > > > > > knower again is separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > That you are the source of love is a fantastic trick to > shove > > > > > meaning > > > > > > into your nothingness: Phil the source of love, wow ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Please be easy on Phil for he is still one of the " babbling > > > fools > > > > > who don't know this yet. " See message 39849. And yes I am > also > > > one > > > > > of them " fools " , for I don't think you will find an > enlightened > > > > > being wasting his/her time discussing opposites, even equals > > and > > > > > other separations on the internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....little difficult to be at the feet of an " enlightened > > > Master " > > > > in here..... > > > > > > > > Those feets.....can't be touched through the screen......true > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Then wash your own feet, 'cause the one and only guru dwells > within > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahh...so why missing an enlightened in here?.... > > > > Marc > > > > !! because it is exactly what is missing in here! ;-) ahh....though that " enlightenment " is already of your " achievement " Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 >>> > > You are right, Johan, > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a realized being I > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > Werner > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, when used as a survival tool. The very idea that there are enlightened entities is a malignant thought. As long as beliefs such as entities, or that time could be waste, or that a list is unworthy of my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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