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A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

 

Some use the term " arising " for what is

" up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

is constantly changing.

 

It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

in that is an illusion.

 

So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

surely must be that constant refresh, which is

ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

 

And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

in that... destruction in that what just was is

already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

arising fresh.

 

But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

Nothing is being opposed.

 

The constant refresh is just the way it is.

 

 

Bill

 

 

[1] - if there is a " flicker " to your computer

screen that means the refresh rate is set too

low. A similar flicker was seen in early era

movies when the frame rate was slower. Hence those

old movies where the wheels of a wagon appeared to

be turning backwards.

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

>

> A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

>

> Some use the term " arising " for what is

> " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> is constantly changing.

>

> It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> in that is an illusion.

>

> So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

>

> And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> in that... destruction in that what just was is

> already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> arising fresh.

>

> But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> Nothing is being opposed.

>

> The constant refresh is just the way it is.

>

>

> Bill

>

>

" the constant refresh is just the way it is " .....yes

 

maybe the memory which registrate the nice and fabulous " movements "

would need to be refreshed so too.....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> >

> > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > is constantly changing.

> >

> > It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> > in that is an illusion.

> >

> > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> >

> > And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> > arising fresh.

> >

> > But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> > Nothing is being opposed.

> >

> > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> " the constant refresh is just the way it is " .....yes

>

> maybe the memory which registrate the nice and fabulous " movements "

> would need to be refreshed so too.....

>

> Marc

>

 

what " movements " are you speaking of Marc?

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> > >

> > > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > > is constantly changing.

> > >

> > > It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> > > in that is an illusion.

> > >

> > > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> > >

> > > And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> > > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > > already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> > > arising fresh.

> > >

> > > But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> > > Nothing is being opposed.

> > >

> > > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > " the constant refresh is just the way it is " .....yes

> >

> > maybe the memory which registrate the nice and

fabulous " movements "

> > would need to be refreshed so too.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> what " movements " are you speaking of Marc?

 

the memory create this " movements " .....

 

maybe it could be desribed as....the " movements around the now " ....

 

the now ....as being " here and now " .....changless, formless, infinite

 

wish a great " refresh " ....:)

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > > > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > > > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> > > >

> > > > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > > > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > > > is constantly changing.

> > > >

> > > > It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> > > > in that is an illusion.

> > > >

> > > > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > > > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > > > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> > > >

> > > > And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> > > > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > > > already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> > > > arising fresh.

> > > >

> > > > But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> > > > Nothing is being opposed.

> > > >

> > > > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > " the constant refresh is just the way it is " .....yes

> > >

> > > maybe the memory which registrate the nice and

> fabulous " movements "

> > > would need to be refreshed so too.....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > what " movements " are you speaking of Marc?

>

> the memory create this " movements " .....

>

> maybe it could be desribed as....the " movements around the now " ....

>

> the now ....as being " here and now " .....changless, formless,

infinite

>

> wish a great " refresh " ....:)

>

> Marc

 

Ps: and also the movements of the stomach as for example....

digesting lunch....

 

bon appetit!

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > > > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > > > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> > > >

> > > > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > > > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > > > is constantly changing.

> > > >

> > > > It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> > > > in that is an illusion.

> > > >

> > > > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > > > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > > > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> > > >

> > > > And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> > > > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > > > already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> > > > arising fresh.

> > > >

> > > > But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> > > > Nothing is being opposed.

> > > >

> > > > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > " the constant refresh is just the way it is " .....yes

> > >

> > > maybe the memory which registrate the nice and

> fabulous " movements "

> > > would need to be refreshed so too.....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > what " movements " are you speaking of Marc?

>

> the memory create this " movements " .....

>

> maybe it could be desribed as....the " movements around the now " ....

>

> the now ....as being " here and now " .....changless, formless,

infinite

>

> wish a great " refresh " ....:)

>

> Marc

 

OK... *those* movements

 

would you say a little different than the

" movement of a bird " are those movements,

as if they represent a kind of " imprint " in

consciousness... ? Or perhaps actually no

different from the movement of a bird,

the swaying of leaves in the wind etc....

 

If different, if having the quality of some

kind of " imprint " , then they have taken on

a " special reality " ... a reality implying

someone who is experiencing them, etc.

 

Or maybe not...

 

this is all just supposing isn't it?

 

but perhaps if such " movements " are taken as

real, as distinct, as significant, then a snowball

of me-ness can build around that...

 

and not taking any of it seriously...

is most natural it seems, and where awareness/

consciousness tends to end up... eventually.

 

and that last comment represents a kind of

spiritual darwinism...

 

something abhorrent to the fundamentalists.

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Nisargadatta writes:

 

" billrishel " illusyn

Thu May 4, 2006 3:13am(PDT)

creation and destruction

 

 

A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

 

Some use the term " arising " for what is

" up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

is constantly changing.

 

It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

in that is an illusion.

 

So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

surely must be that constant refresh, which is

ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

 

And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

in that... destruction in that what just was is

already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

arising fresh.

 

But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

Nothing is being opposed.

 

The constant refresh is just the way it is.

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

In the largest sense, of course, Truth is everything manifest and

unmanifest, but the reason I have trouble with Truth being creation/destruction

is

that, as you imply, nothing is really being created or destroyed; there is no

activity going on at all. Truth is not 'doing' anything, rather Truth IS in it's

totality, always has been and always will be 'outside' of any temporal

framework; any arising and falling.

 

What is seemingly occurring is that various seeming parts of Truth are being

experienced in a seeming sequence through the seeming act of perception.

There's no more creating or destroying going on than there is when the eye moves

from one frame of a motion picture to the next. All frames were present on

the film before, during and after the viewing of it, and it hasn't 'done'

anything, nor has it been changed by the viewing of it.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 5/4/2006 5:51:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " billrishel " illusyn

> Thu May 4, 2006 3:13am(PDT)

> creation and destruction

>

>

> A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

>

> Some use the term " arising " for what is

> " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> is constantly changing.

>

> It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> in that is an illusion.

>

> So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

>

> And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> in that... destruction in that what just was is

> already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> arising fresh.

>

> But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> Nothing is being opposed.

>

> The constant refresh is just the way it is.

>

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> In the largest sense, of course, Truth is everything manifest and

> unmanifest, but the reason I have trouble with Truth being

creation/destruction is

> that, as you imply, nothing is really being created or destroyed;

there is no

> activity going on at all. Truth is not 'doing' anything, rather

Truth IS in it's

> totality, always has been and always will be 'outside' of any temporal

> framework; any arising and falling.

>

> What is seemingly occurring is that various seeming parts of Truth

are being

> experienced in a seeming sequence through the seeming act of

perception.

> There's no more creating or destroying going on than there is when

the eye moves

> from one frame of a motion picture to the next. All frames were

present on

> the film before, during and after the viewing of it, and it hasn't

'done'

> anything, nor has it been changed by the viewing of it.

>

> Phil

 

Think of it in terms of " gestalt " :

 

What " arises " is a gestalt...

and that gestalt is superceded by a " new " gestalt.

 

The arising of the new gestlat is creation, repeating

over and over again, and with each new creation the

prior is -- in effect -- destroyed, cast aside.

 

Now, there is a signficant difference between an openness

to each new gestalt and a " clinging to " (metaphoric term)

the prior. When there is the " clinging " then a dream of

continuity is woven. The new, instead of standing on its

own (its nature), is gestalted *as a continuation* of the

prior. It is this *forging of continuation*, a " false

gestalt process " , that is the distortive process.

 

It is a kind of hypnosis.

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/4/2006 5:51:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " billrishel " illusyn@

> > Thu May 4, 2006 3:13am(PDT)

> > creation and destruction

> >

> >

> > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> >

> > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > is constantly changing.

> >

> > It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> > in that is an illusion.

> >

> > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> >

> > And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> > arising fresh.

> >

> > But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> > Nothing is being opposed.

> >

> > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > In the largest sense, of course, Truth is everything manifest and

> > unmanifest, but the reason I have trouble with Truth being

> creation/destruction is

> > that, as you imply, nothing is really being created or destroyed;

> there is no

> > activity going on at all. Truth is not 'doing' anything, rather

> Truth IS in it's

> > totality, always has been and always will be 'outside' of any

temporal

> > framework; any arising and falling.

> >

> > What is seemingly occurring is that various seeming parts of Truth

> are being

> > experienced in a seeming sequence through the seeming act of

> perception.

> > There's no more creating or destroying going on than there is when

> the eye moves

> > from one frame of a motion picture to the next. All frames were

> present on

> > the film before, during and after the viewing of it, and it hasn't

> 'done'

> > anything, nor has it been changed by the viewing of it.

> >

> > Phil

>

> Think of it in terms of " gestalt " :

>

> What " arises " is a gestalt...

> and that gestalt is superceded by a " new " gestalt.

>

> The arising of the new gestlat is creation, repeating

> over and over again, and with each new creation the

> prior is -- in effect -- destroyed, cast aside.

>

> Now, there is a signficant difference between an openness

> to each new gestalt and a " clinging to " (metaphoric term)

> the prior. When there is the " clinging " then a dream of

> continuity is woven. The new, instead of standing on its

> own (its nature), is gestalted *as a continuation* of the

> prior. It is this *forging of continuation*, a " false

> gestalt process " , that is the distortive process.

>

> It is a kind of hypnosis.

>

>

> Bill

>

 

 

 

 

Beautiful.

 

 

One can surf a gestalt....very much like a good surfer can ride a huge

wave.

 

One can experience the moment to moment naturalness....and easyness

........of what is.

 

Jan Cox talks of this as being in a flowing river and periodically

standing up...and looking around.

 

Perhaps this our function......perhaps we are God's sentience.

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 5:51:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > " billrishel " illusyn@

> > > Thu May 4, 2006 3:13am(PDT)

> > > creation and destruction

> > >

> > >

> > > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> > >

> > > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > > is constantly changing.

> > >

> > > It can safely be said that any sense of continuity

> > > in that is an illusion.

> > >

> > > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> > >

> > > And the notion of destruction/creation can be seen

> > > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > > already disavowed, creation in that the new is ever

> > > arising fresh.

> > >

> > > But there is no real " force " of creation or destruction.

> > > Nothing is being opposed.

> > >

> > > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In the largest sense, of course, Truth is everything manifest and

> > > unmanifest, but the reason I have trouble with Truth being

> > creation/destruction is

> > > that, as you imply, nothing is really being created or destroyed;

> > there is no

> > > activity going on at all. Truth is not 'doing' anything, rather

> > Truth IS in it's

> > > totality, always has been and always will be 'outside' of any

> temporal

> > > framework; any arising and falling.

> > >

> > > What is seemingly occurring is that various seeming parts of Truth

> > are being

> > > experienced in a seeming sequence through the seeming act of

> > perception.

> > > There's no more creating or destroying going on than there is when

> > the eye moves

> > > from one frame of a motion picture to the next. All frames were

> > present on

> > > the film before, during and after the viewing of it, and it hasn't

> > 'done'

> > > anything, nor has it been changed by the viewing of it.

> > >

> > > Phil

> >

> > Think of it in terms of " gestalt " :

> >

> > What " arises " is a gestalt...

> > and that gestalt is superceded by a " new " gestalt.

> >

> > The arising of the new gestlat is creation, repeating

> > over and over again, and with each new creation the

> > prior is -- in effect -- destroyed, cast aside.

> >

> > Now, there is a signficant difference between an openness

> > to each new gestalt and a " clinging to " (metaphoric term)

> > the prior. When there is the " clinging " then a dream of

> > continuity is woven. The new, instead of standing on its

> > own (its nature), is gestalted *as a continuation* of the

> > prior. It is this *forging of continuation*, a " false

> > gestalt process " , that is the distortive process.

> >

> > It is a kind of hypnosis.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

>

>

>

> Beautiful.

>

>

> One can surf a gestalt....very much like a good surfer can ride a huge

> wave.

>

> One can experience the moment to moment naturalness....and easyness

> .......of what is.

>

> Jan Cox talks of this as being in a flowing river and periodically

> standing up...and looking around.

 

That periodic standing up ... and looking around...

that touches on something that I have yet to find

a way to discuss... or even to think about!

 

but with that inspiration... perhaps...

 

 

>

> Perhaps this our function......perhaps we are God's sentience.

>

 

or perhaps.... even more likely?

His REALLY WIERD sense of humor!

 

 

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/4/2006 5:51:33 AM Pacific

Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " billrishel " illusyn@

> > Thu May 4, 2006 3:13am(PDT)

> > creation and destruction

> >

> >

> > A computer screen is constantly " refreshing " .

> > Faster than the eye can see (usually) the screen

> > is being repainted from top to bottom. [1]

> >

> > Some use the term " arising " for what is

> > " up " at the moment. What is " up " at the moment

> > is constantly changing.

> >

> > It can safely be said that any sense of

continuity

> > in that is an illusion.

> >

> > So if there is any such thing as truth/Truth it

> > surely must be that constant refresh, which is

> > ever and always a disavowal of what went before.

> >

> > And the notion of destruction/creation can be

seen

> > in that... destruction in that what just was is

> > already disavowed, creation in that the new is

ever

> > arising fresh.

> >

> > But there is no real " force " of creation or

destruction.

> > Nothing is being opposed.

> >

> > The constant refresh is just the way it is.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > In the largest sense, of course, Truth is

everything manifest and

> > unmanifest, but the reason I have trouble with

Truth being

> creation/destruction is

> > that, as you imply, nothing is really being

created or destroyed;

> there is no

> > activity going on at all. Truth is not 'doing'

anything, rather

> Truth IS in it's

> > totality, always has been and always will be

'outside' of any

temporal

> > framework; any arising and falling.

> >

> > What is seemingly occurring is that various

seeming parts of Truth

> are being

> > experienced in a seeming sequence through the

seeming act of

> perception.

> > There's no more creating or destroying going on

than there is when

> the eye moves

> > from one frame of a motion picture to the next.

All frames were

> present on

> > the film before, during and after the viewing of

it, and it hasn't

> 'done'

> > anything, nor has it been changed by the viewing

of it.

> >

> > Phil

>

> Think of it in terms of " gestalt " :

>

> What " arises " is a gestalt...

> and that gestalt is superceded by a " new " gestalt.

>

> The arising of the new gestlat is creation,

repeating

> over and over again, and with each new creation the

> prior is -- in effect -- destroyed, cast aside.

>

> Now, there is a signficant difference between an

openness

> to each new gestalt and a " clinging to " (metaphoric

term)

> the prior. When there is the " clinging " then a dream

of

> continuity is woven. The new, instead of standing on

its

> own (its nature), is gestalted *as a continuation*

of the

> prior. It is this *forging of continuation*, a

" false

> gestalt process " , that is the distortive process.

>

> It is a kind of hypnosis.

>

>

> Bill

>

 

 

 

 

Beautiful.

 

 

One can surf a gestalt....very much like a good surfer

can ride a huge

wave.

 

One can experience the moment to moment

naturalness....and easyness

........of what is.

 

Jan Cox talks of this as being in a flowing river and

periodically

standing up...and looking around.

 

Perhaps this our function......perhaps we are God's

sentience.

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

 

Wheter or not we are God`s sentience,

how can I call that point that you have touched so

deeply in me?

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

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> Wheter or not we are God`s sentience,

> how can I call that point that you have touched so

> deeply in me?

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> Patricia

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Lemon......................and blueberry.

 

 

 

 

 

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