Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > >>> > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a realized being I > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > when used as a survival tool. The very > idea that there are enlightened entities > is a malignant thought. As long as > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > not. > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is a particularly powerful one. It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " is not a myth at all. But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of the lives of those holding to it. In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > >>> > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a realized being I > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > when used as a survival tool. The very > idea that there are enlightened entities > is a malignant thought. As long as > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > not. > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is a particularly powerful one. It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " is not a myth at all. But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of the lives of those holding to it. In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . Bill Myth and symboles hold sparkes of truth and pre-memorie to those that are open to it. They do move consciousness and unconsciousness. I like the <strange attractor> metaphor. And yes, when used as a survival tool, turned toward one`s own profit, the light grows into disease. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S > <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a > realized being I > > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > not. > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > a particularly powerful one. > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > is not a myth at all. > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > the lives of those holding to it. > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > Bill > > Myth and symboles hold sparkes of truth and > pre-memorie to those that are open to it. > They do move consciousness and unconsciousness. > I like the <strange attractor> metaphor. > And yes, when used as a survival tool, turned toward > one`s own profit, the light grows into disease. > > Patricia Was it Alan Watts that said everyone has a philosophy, but many are very unconscious about theirs. Same with these sort of strange attractors. Strange attractors happen. They are in the mix. And trying so hard not to have one is... well, *is one*! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S > > <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a > > realized being I > > > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > not. > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > is not a myth at all. > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > Bill > > > > Myth and symboles hold sparkes of truth and > > pre-memorie to those that are open to it. > > They do move consciousness and unconsciousness. > > I like the <strange attractor> metaphor. > > And yes, when used as a survival tool, turned toward > > one`s own profit, the light grows into disease. > > > > Patricia > > Was it Alan Watts that said everyone has a philosophy, > but many are very unconscious about theirs. > Everyone is a philosophy. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S > > > <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a > > > realized being I > > > > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Myth and symboles hold sparkes of truth and > > > pre-memorie to those that are open to it. > > > They do move consciousness and unconsciousness. > > > I like the <strange attractor> metaphor. > > > And yes, when used as a survival tool, turned toward > > > one`s own profit, the light grows into disease. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > Was it Alan Watts that said everyone has a philosophy, > > but many are very unconscious about theirs. > > > > > Everyone is a philosophy. > > > toombaru Shazam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 In a message dated 5/4/2006 12:05:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " toombaru2006 " lastrain Thu May 4, 2006 10:38am(PDT) Re: Spiritual Growth/ Enlightenment a Myth Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S > > <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a > > realized being I > > > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > not. > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > is not a myth at all. > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > Bill > > > > Myth and symboles hold sparkes of truth and > > pre-memorie to those that are open to it. > > They do move consciousness and unconsciousness. > > I like the <strange attractor> metaphor. > > And yes, when used as a survival tool, turned toward > > one`s own profit, the light grows into disease. > > > > Patricia > > Was it Alan Watts that said everyone has a philosophy, > but many are very unconscious about theirs. > Everyone is a philosophy. toombaru Especially me! Phil Osophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/4/2006 12:05:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " toombaru2006 " lastrain > Thu May 4, 2006 10:38am(PDT) > Re: Spiritual Growth/ Enlightenment a Myth > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S > > > <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > You are right, Johan, > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I also get that thought if would be a > > > realized being I > > > > > wouldn't waste my time here on this list. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I am too a fool, a babbler. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Myth and symboles hold sparkes of truth and > > > pre-memorie to those that are open to it. > > > They do move consciousness and unconsciousness. > > > I like the <strange attractor> metaphor. > > > And yes, when used as a survival tool, turned toward > > > one`s own profit, the light grows into disease. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > Was it Alan Watts that said everyone has a philosophy, > > but many are very unconscious about theirs. > > > > > Everyone is a philosophy. > > > toombaru > > > > Especially me! > > Phil Osophy Definitely in form today :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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