Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 P: One meaning of the word growth is: > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > when used as a survival tool. The very > idea that there are enlightened entities > is a malignant thought. As long as > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > not. > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is a particularly powerful one. It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " is not a myth at all. But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of the lives of those holding to it. In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . Bill P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. Salmons are that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 --- Pete S <pedsie5 a écrit : P: One meaning of the word growth is: > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > when used as a survival tool. The very > idea that there are enlightened entities > is a malignant thought. As long as > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > not. > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is a particularly powerful one. It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " is not a myth at all. But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of the lives of those holding to it. In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . Bill P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. Salmons are that way! So by swimming upstream in a frantic manner One would reach enlightment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > not. > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > a particularly powerful one. > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > is not a myth at all. > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > the lives of those holding to it. > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > Bill > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > Salmons are that way! > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > liberate, in the first place " yes.... and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 > Bill > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > Salmons are that way! > > > So by swimming upstream in a frantic manner > One would reach enlightment? > No.......but if the bears or fishermen don't get you.....you might be able to mate. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > not. > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > is not a myth at all. > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > Bill > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > Salmons are that way! > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > liberate, in the first place " > > yes.... > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > Marc > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only imaginarily. toombaRU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- Pete S <pedsie5 a écrit : > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > not. > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > a particularly powerful one. > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > is not a myth at all. > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > the lives of those holding to it. > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > Bill > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > Salmons are that way! > > > So by swimming upstream in a frantic manner > One would reach enlightment? > Oh no! One must swim upstream in the " not-doing " way! [i will add here that am joking, as if I don't... well, you know...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > > Salmons are that way! > > > > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > liberate, in the first place " > > > > yes.... > > > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > > > Marc > > > > > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only > imaginarily. > > > > toombaRU > sorry, I really can't imagine it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > > > Salmons are that way! > > > > > > > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > liberate, in the first place " > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > > > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only > > imaginarily. > > > > > > > > toombaRU > > > > sorry, I really can't imagine it. > Of course the liberation and bondage are imaginary as well. That's why it's hard to imagine. ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > > > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > > > > Salmons are that way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > > liberate, in the first place " > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > > > > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only > > > imaginarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaRU > > > > > > > sorry, I really can't imagine it. > > > Of course the liberation and bondage are imaginary as well. That's > why it's hard to imagine. > ......bob Imagine that! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > > > > > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > > > > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > > > > > Salmons are that way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > > > liberate, in the first place " > > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > > > > > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only > > > > imaginarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaRU > > > > > > > > > > sorry, I really can't imagine it. > > > > > Of course the liberation and bondage are imaginary as well. That's > > why it's hard to imagine. > > ......bob > Imagine that! It's 'hard' to imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > > > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > > > > Salmons are that way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > > > liberate, in the first place " > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > > > > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only > > > imaginarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaRU > > > > > > > sorry, I really can't imagine it. > > > Of course the liberation and bondage are imaginary as well. That's > why it's hard to imagine. > ......bob sorry for being such a cluck... but you are waay over my head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > P: One meaning of the word growth is: > > > > tumor. Spirituality could turn malignant, > > > > when used as a survival tool. The very > > > > idea that there are enlightened entities > > > > is a malignant thought. As long as > > > > beliefs such as entities, or that time could > > > > be waste, or that a list is unworthy of > > > > my wisdom are held to, enlightenment is > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > The myth of Buddha and his " enlightenment " is > > > a particularly powerful one. > > > > > > It is easy to see (for some) that the Christian > > > story of Jesus raising from the dead etc. as a > > > myth. But for many of those same ones " enlightenment " > > > is not a myth at all. > > > > > > But what is a myth? It is a gripping vision that > > > serves as a paradigm in shaping the course of > > > the lives of those holding to it. > > > > > > In other words, a myth is a " strange attractor " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > liberate, in the first place. Until that happens, > > > enlightenment is the urge to swim upstream. > > > Salmons are that way! > > > > > > > " Liberation is seeing there was no one to > > > liberate, in the first place " > > > > yes.... > > > > and yes.....the elefants and tigers in the zoo can only be > > liberated.....when this " swim upstream " come to an end.... > > > > Marc > > > > > Imaginary animals....in imaginary cages......can be liberated only > imaginarily. > > > > toombaRU the imaginary " toombaru " can't imagine the reality of a Zoo?.... Marc Ps: wish you to continue having great " ghost " talk in here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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