Ramana

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> > > > For many others, sex, power, name,

> > > > respect, job, spouse, children or...

> > > > just 'entertainment' works like a

> > > > similar 'trigger' that pulls them back

> > > > towards the OLD 'unconscious'

> > > > identified 'ego centric' behavior.

> > > >

> > > > Ramana refers to these tendencies as

> > > > Vassana and asserts that their

> > > > elimination is needed for Jnana [True

> > > > Knowledge] to transform all of life and

> > > > for Peace to become unbroken!

> > > >

> > > > He talks about continued vigilance and

> > > > Practice until this is achieved!

> > > >

> > >

> > > Dear Arvind,

> > >

> > > no, this is not the message of Sri Ramana.

> > > He is very clear about the fact that self-realization is not

> > > something to be achieved. He is absolutely clear about this.

> > > This is also absolutely clear in the message of Sri Nisargadatta.

> > >

> >

> > Glad you said that waaba, as those comments about Ramana

> > did not jive for me...

> >

> > do you have any quotes handy?

> > or perhaps I will dig some up myself...

> >

>

> Hi Bill,

>

> it seems Arvind has already posted enough Ramana's quotes!

> i do not care, because this is not the point ( there is no point!)

> i do not need any quote to know the heart of what Sri Ramana is

> sharing, and i say it again, it is not something to be achieved.

> Truth is recognizing this as true and is rejoicing as it! :-)

 

I agree with you, and am glad to see you appreciate

Ramana so deeply.

 

A couple of years ago when I had an overwhelming heart

experience that totally changed my life... that was

when I found great solace in reading Ramana. He was

the one that spoke directly about the heart. Indeed,

if you sift through him carefully you will find that

to him it all begins/ends in the heart.

 

Nisargadatta does not speak about the heart much at all.

And Krishnamurti not much more.

 

Those are my Big Three, Nisargadatta, Krishnamurti, and

Ramana.

 

Ramana's teaching is really, really direct.

Which is why you are so correct in what you say about him.

 

I did scrounge up a few quotes:

 

....Bliss is not something to be got.

On the other hand you are always Bliss.

This desire [for Bliss] is born of the sense of incompleteness.

To whom is this sense of incompleteness?

Enquire. In deep sleep you were blissful.

Now you are not so.

What has interposed between that Bliss and this non-bliss?

It is the ego.

Seek its source and find you are Bliss.

 

 

...

 

'That inner Self, as the primeval Spirit,

Eternal, ever effulgent, full and infinite Bliss,

Single, indivisible, whole and living,

Shines in everyone as the witnessing awareness.

That self in its splendour, shining in the cavity of the heart

This self is neither born nor dies,

Neither grows nor decays,

Nor does it suffer any change.

When a pot is broken, the space within it is not,

And similarly, when the body dies the Self in it remains eternal.

 

...

 

Reality is simply the loss of ego. Destroy the ego by seeking its

identity. Because the ego is no entity it will automatically vanish

and reality will shine forth by itself.

 

...

 

" God dwells in you, as you, and you don't have to 'do' anything to be

God-realized or Self-realized, it is already your true and natural

state. " Just drop all seeking, turn your attention inward, and

sacrifice your mind to the One Self radiating in the Heart of your

very being. For this to be your own presently lived experience,

Self-Inquiry is the one direct and immediate way. "

 

 

.....................

 

that last quote speaks especially directly to

what you were saying.

 

 

Bill