Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 [...] > > Tolle in his book sites examples of > > highly spiritual people forgetting all > > about " I am not the body " , " I am > > formless Self " , " I am immortal Soul " , > > " I am unborn Buddha Mind " and start > > acting in an unconscious and Insane way > > the moment they hear a bad news from > > their Real Estate Agent or the Stock > > Broker. > > > > Tolle offers deep insecurity/attachment > > about money as the reason for this > > 'unconscious' behavior! Money acts like > > a 'button' for them! > > > > For many others, sex, power, name, > > respect, job, spouse, children or... > > just 'entertainment' works like a > > similar 'trigger' that pulls them back > > towards the OLD 'unconscious' > > identified 'ego centric' behavior. > > > > Ramana refers to these tendencies as > > Vassana and asserts that their > > elimination is needed for Jnana [True > > Knowledge] to transform all of life and > > for Peace to become unbroken! > > > > He talks about continued vigilance and > > Practice until this is achieved! > > > > Dear Arvind, > > no, this is not the message of Sri Ramana. > He is very clear about the fact that self-realization is not > something to be achieved. He is absolutely clear about this. > This is also absolutely clear in the message of Sri Nisargadatta. > Dear bigwaaba, I am not sure how you interpreted my message above as " self-realization is something to be achieved " that you seem to be trying be counter above by saying " self-realization is not something to be achieved " ! Do you think when someone says this: > > > > Ramana refers to these tendencies as Vassana and asserts that their elimination is needed for Jnana [True Knowledge] to transform all of life and for Peace to become unbroken! < < < < < he/she means this: " self-realization is something to be achieved " . ??? I certainly don't interpret/understand this statement [of mine] that way. I am talking on the lines of Ramana' teachings in which he talks regarding 'Peace becoming Steady' after repeated Patrice and the need for practice to make Peace steady. You can refer to my post on Ramana's quotes on Peace, its duration and Steadiness becoming stronger with practice and Ramana saying that... Peace is Self-Realization for clarification on this matter. Regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > Tolle in his book sites examples of > > > highly spiritual people forgetting all > > > about " I am not the body " , " I am > > > formless Self " , " I am immortal Soul " , > > > " I am unborn Buddha Mind " and start > > > acting in an unconscious and Insane way > > > the moment they hear a bad news from > > > their Real Estate Agent or the Stock > > > Broker. > > > > > > Tolle offers deep insecurity/attachment > > > about money as the reason for this > > > 'unconscious' behavior! Money acts like > > > a 'button' for them! > > > > > > For many others, sex, power, name, > > > respect, job, spouse, children or... > > > just 'entertainment' works like a > > > similar 'trigger' that pulls them back > > > towards the OLD 'unconscious' > > > identified 'ego centric' behavior. > > > > > > Ramana refers to these tendencies as > > > Vassana and asserts that their > > > elimination is needed for Jnana [True > > > Knowledge] to transform all of life and > > > for Peace to become unbroken! > > > > > > He talks about continued vigilance and > > > Practice until this is achieved! > > > > > > > Dear Arvind, > > > > no, this is not the message of Sri Ramana. > > He is very clear about the fact that self-realization is not > > something to be achieved. He is absolutely clear about this. > > This is also absolutely clear in the message of Sri Nisargadatta. > > > > Dear bigwaaba, > > I am not sure how you interpreted my > message above as " self-realization is > something to be achieved " that you > seem to be trying be counter above by > saying " self-realization is not > something to be achieved " ! > > Do you think when someone says this: > > > > > > Ramana refers to these tendencies as > Vassana and asserts that their > elimination is needed for Jnana [True > Knowledge] to transform all of life and > for Peace to become unbroken! < < < < < > > > he/she means this: > > " self-realization is something to be > achieved " . ??? > > > > I certainly don't interpret/understand > this statement [of mine] that way. > > > I am talking on the lines of Ramana' > teachings in which he talks regarding > 'Peace becoming Steady' after repeated > Patrice and the need for practice to > make Peace steady. > > You can refer to my post on Ramana's > quotes on Peace, its duration and > Steadiness becoming stronger with > practice and Ramana saying that... > Peace is Self-Realization for > clarification on this matter. > > > Regards, > ac. > Dear Arvind, anytime a stress is put on some sadhana or practice i remember that practice is useless in order to be what you have always been what you are has not been modified by whatever practice has happened in the past and will never shift according to some intense sadhana happening in the future. Luckily in a way! while words do their work we drink together at the same cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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