Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > To the best of my recollection, J. Krishnamurti and Douglas Harding have > both stated that " constant vigilance " is necessary and must be > maintained, not by *someone* (i.e., a separate *me* sense) but by > *understanding* or *intelligence* itself, otherwise " habitual ways of > thinking, reacting, functioning " reassert themselves thereby > perpetuating suffering and chaos in the world. In other words, perhaps > it's the " urge " (for lack of as better word) on the part of > *intelligence* itself yearning (or being *driven?* to function > " consciously/knowingly " in the world of appearances and relative > (re-laytive) relationships, thereby resulting in harmonious, orderly, > and healthy functioning. In other words, the flesh being informed, > instructed, and inspired by spirit. > > Michael I am an artist, and I have developed as an artist over decades. At one point it was difficult for me to " study " , to simply explore the structure of a face, and to enjoy the process itself as end in itself. Early on I was more focused on results. I wanted to end up with a great drawing, but didn't care to invest so much in the process. I am now at a very different point, in effect quite reversed. I have learned a great deal about the technical underpinnings, which itself facilitates artistic expression for me. But more important is the very joy in the process itself. Now, I simply *love to draw*. And I *love to study* as well. It is now fascinating to take an interesting face and explore it in drawing, to go into in and understand more deeply. Give me 20 minutes uninterrupted with my sketchpad and pencils and I am gone into to it, any time. The " constant vigilance " spoken of is analogous to my experience of drawing. What was once difficult to bring oneself to do is now a fascination. It is the " intelligence " itself that has come alive in it, full of fascination. At one point it may be painful and arduously difficult to bring oneself to really look at an emotional hurt. But the time comes when the opportunity to do so is encountered with relish... as if to say, " Oh Boy! Another emotional hangup to melt into, to acknowledge and to experience completely! " In the beginning, yes can seem so hard. But in the end constant vigilance is not out of effort at all. It is rapt fascination. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > To the best of my recollection, J. Krishnamurti and Douglas Harding have > both stated that " constant vigilance " is necessary and must be > maintained, not by *someone* (i.e., a separate *me* sense) but by > *understanding* or *intelligence* itself, otherwise " habitual ways of > thinking, reacting, functioning " reassert themselves thereby > perpetuating suffering and chaos in the world. In other words, perhaps > it's the " urge " (for lack of as better word) on the part of > *intelligence* itself yearning (or being *driven?* to function > " consciously/knowingly " in the world of appearances and relative > (re-laytive) relationships, thereby resulting in harmonious, orderly, > and healthy functioning. In other words, the flesh being informed, > instructed, and inspired by spirit. > > Michael I am an artist, and I have developed as an artist over decades. At one point it was difficult for me to " study " , to simply explore the structure of a face, and to enjoy the process itself as end in itself. Early on I was more focused on results. I wanted to end up with a great drawing, but didn't care to invest so much in the process. I am now at a very different point, in effect quite reversed. I have learned a great deal about the technical underpinnings, which itself facilitates artistic expression for me. But more important is the very joy in the process itself. Now, I simply *love to draw*. And I *love to study* as well. It is now fascinating to take an interesting face and explore it in drawing, to go into in and understand more deeply. Give me 20 minutes uninterrupted with my sketchpad and pencils and I am gone into to it, any time. The " constant vigilance " spoken of is analogous to my experience of drawing. What was once difficult to bring oneself to do is now a fascination. It is the " intelligence " itself that has come alive in it, full of fascination. At one point it may be painful and arduously difficult to bring oneself to really look at an emotional hurt. But the time comes when the opportunity to do so is encountered with relish... as if to say, " Oh Boy! Another emotional hangup to melt into, to acknowledge and to experience completely! " In the beginning, yes can seem so hard. But in the end constant vigilance is not out of effort at all. It is rapt fascination. Bill What you both wrote evoques order to me. Simply order, nothing left out, and also the sense of presence that ultimately we are. That brings us to discover that ultimate knowedge is of no knowedge and the Absolute has nothing to do with that. And am not going to try to figure what it is all about any more. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 I think that is how every 'practice' works, Bill! Attention, vigilance, Concentration and Focus [can be even called 'effort'] in the beginning... and, ease, effortlessness, *natural flow*, 'flowing with the current' later! Someone said: " Sow a thought, and reap an action. Sow an action, and reap a habit. Sow a habit, and reap character. Sow character and reap destiny. " Once a 'practice' becomes a 'habit'... it becomes effortless... Once a habit becomes 'character' it starts appearing as 'natural'... Even ego [unconscious mind] that most humans have... develops across years! In about years starting from early childhood... this 'practice' [of ego- centric identification] takes very deep roots and starts appearing as our second 'nature'! It becomes so effortless, easy and continuous that it becomes our 'default' state! This habit gets so ingrained that we even forget that there is *another* possibility... [ NNB ] Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To the best of my recollection, J. Krishnamurti and Douglas Harding > have > > both stated that " constant vigilance " is necessary and must be > > maintained, not by *someone* (i.e., a separate *me* sense) but by > > *understanding* or *intelligence* itself, otherwise " habitual ways of > > thinking, reacting, functioning " reassert themselves thereby > > perpetuating suffering and chaos in the world. In other words, perhaps > > it's the " urge " (for lack of as better word) on the part of > > *intelligence* itself yearning (or being *driven?* to function > > " consciously/knowingly " in the world of appearances and relative > > (re-laytive) relationships, thereby resulting in harmonious, orderly, > > and healthy functioning. In other words, the flesh being informed, > > instructed, and inspired by spirit. > > > > Michael > > I am an artist, and I have developed as an artist over > decades. At one point it was difficult for me to " study " , > to simply explore the structure of a face, and to enjoy > the process itself as end in itself. Early on I was more > focused on results. I wanted to end up with a great drawing, > but didn't care to invest so much in the process. > > I am now at a very different point, in effect quite reversed. > I have learned a great deal about the technical underpinnings, > which itself facilitates artistic expression for me. But > more important is the very joy in the process itself. Now, I > simply *love to draw*. And I *love to study* as well. It is > now fascinating to take an interesting face and explore it in > drawing, to go into in and understand more deeply. Give me > 20 minutes uninterrupted with my sketchpad and pencils and > I am gone into to it, any time. > > The " constant vigilance " spoken of is analogous to my > experience of drawing. What was once difficult to bring oneself > to do is now a fascination. It is the " intelligence " itself > that has come alive in it, full of fascination. > > At one point it may be painful and arduously difficult to > bring oneself to really look at an emotional hurt. But the > time comes when the opportunity to do so is encountered with > relish... as if to say, " Oh Boy! Another emotional hangup > to melt into, to acknowledge and to experience completely! " > > In the beginning, yes can seem so hard. But in the end > constant vigilance is not out of effort at all. It is rapt > fascination. > > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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