Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep sleep shows more electrical activity in an encephalogram, deep sleep is more responsive to stimuli. Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. But, is this so? Once the intimation of the true situation downs, we realize being conscious is a shimmering on the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our true nature is this complete immutable lack of any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > sleep shows more electrical activity in > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > responsive to stimuli. > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > But, is this so? > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > Pete > Just because this *is* a Nisargadatta list, thought I'd do a search on what he has to say about deep sleep. Here's the first hit from I Am That: Q: In deep sleep there is no experience of the present reality. M: The blankness of deep sleep is due entirely to the lack of specific memories. But a general memory of well-being is there. There is a difference in feeling when we say ¡¥I was deeply asleep¡¦ from ¡¥I was absent¡¦. ........... The second hit: Q: There is no ¡¥I am¡¦ in sleep. M: Before you make such sweeping statements, examine carefully your waking state. You will soon discover that it is full of gaps, when the min blanks out. Notice how little you remember even when fully awake. You just don¡¦t remember. A gap in memory is not necessarily a gap in consciousness. Q: Can I make myself remember my state of deep sleep? M: Of course! By eliminating the intervals of inadvertence during your waking hours you will gradually eliminate the long interval of absent- mindedness, which you call sleep. You will be aware that you are asleep. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > sleep shows more electrical activity in > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > responsive to stimuli. > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > But, is this so? > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > Pete > Just because this *is* a Nisargadatta list, thought I'd do a search on what he has to say about deep sleep. Here's the first hit from I Am That: Q: In deep sleep there is no experience of the present reality. M: The blankness of deep sleep is due entirely to the lack of specific memories. But a general memory of well-being is there. There is a difference in feeling when we say ¡¥I was deeply asleep¡¦ from ¡¥I was absent¡¦. ........... The second hit: Q: There is no ¡¥I am¡¦ in sleep. M: Before you make such sweeping statements, examine carefully your waking state. You will soon discover that it is full of gaps, when the min blanks out. Notice how little you remember even when fully awake. You just don¡¦t remember. A gap in memory is not necessarily a gap in consciousness. Q: Can I make myself remember my state of deep sleep? M: Of course! By eliminating the intervals of inadvertence during your waking hours you will gradually eliminate the long interval of absent- mindedness, which you call sleep. You will be aware that you are asleep. Bill --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 In a message dated 5/6/2006 5:45:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " pliantheart " illusyn Sat May 6, 2006 10:06am(PDT) Re: Is Coma Deeper than Deep Sleep? Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > sleep shows more electrical activity in > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > responsive to stimuli. > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > But, is this so? > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > Pete > Just because this *is* a Nisargadatta list, thought I'd do a search on what he has to say about deep sleep. Here's the first hit from I Am That: Q: In deep sleep there is no experience of the present reality. M: The blankness of deep sleep is due entirely to the lack of specific memories. But a general memory of well-being is there. There is a difference in feeling when we say ¡¥I was deeply asleep¡¦ from ¡¥I was absent¡¦. ........... The second hit: Q: There is no ¡¥I am¡¦ in sleep. M: Before you make such sweeping statements, examine carefully your waking state. You will soon discover that it is full of gaps, when the min blanks out. Notice how little you remember even when fully awake. You just don¡¦t remember. A gap in memory is not necessarily a gap in consciousness. Q: Can I make myself remember my state of deep sleep? M: Of course! By eliminating the intervals of inadvertence during your waking hours you will gradually eliminate the long interval of absent- mindedness, which you call sleep. You will be aware that you are asleep. Bill What does he mean by " intervals of inadvertence " ? Does he mean the " gaps " ? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/6/2006 5:45:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " pliantheart " illusyn > Sat May 6, 2006 10:06am(PDT) > Re: Is Coma Deeper than Deep Sleep? > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > > sleep shows more electrical activity in > > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > > responsive to stimuli. > > > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > > But, is this so? > > > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > > > Pete > > > > Just because this *is* a Nisargadatta list, thought > I'd do a search on what he has to say about deep > sleep. Here's the first hit from I Am That: > > Q: In deep sleep there is no experience of the > present reality. > > M: The blankness of deep sleep is due entirely to > the lack of specific memories. But a general memory > of well-being is there. There is a difference in > feeling when we say ¡¥I was deeply asleep¡¦ from ¡¥I > was absent¡¦. > > .......... > The second hit: > > Q: There is no ¡¥I am¡¦ in sleep. > > M: Before you make such sweeping statements, > examine carefully your waking state. You will soon > discover that it is full of gaps, when the min > blanks out. Notice how little you remember even > when fully awake. You just don¡¦t remember. A gap in > memory is not necessarily a gap in consciousness. > > Q: Can I make myself remember my state of deep > sleep? > > M: Of course! By eliminating the intervals of > inadvertence during your waking hours you will > gradually eliminate the long interval of absent- > mindedness, which you call sleep. You will be aware > that you are asleep. > > > Bill > > > > What does he mean by " intervals of inadvertence " ? Does he mean the " gaps " ? > > Phil Per my interpretation, no, not the " gaps " . It actually takes considerable awareness to be aware of the gaps. in·ad·ver·tent adj. Not duly attentive. Marked by unintentional lack of care. So intervals of inadvertence refers to, in effect, intervals of inattentiveness... to a kind of " unconsciousness " while technically awake. In the quote he is connecting lack of awareness during sleep to a lack of awareness while not sleeping. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 In a message dated 5/7/2006 3:54:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " pliantheart " illusyn Sun May 7, 2006 0:15am(PDT) Re: Is Coma Deeper than Deep Sleep? Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/6/2006 5:45:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " pliantheart " illusyn > Sat May 6, 2006 10:06am(PDT) > Re: Is Coma Deeper than Deep Sleep? > > --- In Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > > sleep shows more electrical activity in > > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > > responsive to stimuli. > > > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > > But, is this so? > > > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > > > Pete > > > > Just because this *is* a Nisargadatta list, thought > I'd do a search on what he has to say about deep > sleep. Here's the first hit from I Am That: > > Q: In deep sleep there is no experience of the > present reality. > > M: The blankness of deep sleep is due entirely to > the lack of specific memories. But a general memory > of well-being is there. There is a difference in > feeling when we say ¡¥I was deeply asleep¡¦ from ¡¥I > was absent¡¦. > > .......... > The second hit: > > Q: There is no ¡¥I am¡¦ in sleep. > > M: Before you make such sweeping statements, > examine carefully your waking state. You will soon > discover that it is full of gaps, when the min > blanks out. Notice how little you remember even > when fully awake. You just don¡¦t remember. A gap in > memory is not necessarily a gap in consciousness. > > Q: Can I make myself remember my state of deep > sleep? > > M: Of course! By eliminating the intervals of > inadvertence during your waking hours you will > gradually eliminate the long interval of absent- > mindedness, which you call sleep. You will be aware > that you are asleep. > > > Bill > > > > What does he mean by " intervals of inadvertence " ? Does he mean the " gaps " ? > > Phil Per my interpretation, no, not the " gaps " . It actually takes considerable awareness to be aware of the gaps. in·ad·ver·tent adj. Not duly attentive. Marked by unintentional lack of care. So intervals of inadvertence refers to, in effect, intervals of inattentiveness... to a kind of " unconsciousness " while technically awake. In the quote he is connecting lack of awareness during sleep to a lack of awareness while not sleeping. Bill Hmmmm, so through the ability to be continuously aware during the day, he suggests that awareness will continue in sleep. I wonder, has any one who is not 'enlightened' accomplished this? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > sleep shows more electrical activity in > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > responsive to stimuli. > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > But, is this so? > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > Pete Coma is a nice vacation spot. Very peaceful and restful and with none of the more common tourist traps like souvenirs or mementos. Food's so good you don't need to eat it with your own mouth and the sunsets are to die for. ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > In a neurologically sense, yes. Deep > > sleep shows more electrical activity in > > an encephalogram, deep sleep is more > > responsive to stimuli. > > > > Brain death is a serious kind of dead, not as > > reversible as cardiovascular death. Life, in the > > human sense, is sensing. So in this way, deep > > sleep, is some kind of death, but temporary, and > > reversible. Death we are programmed to feel, > > is bad, and sensing is good. Consciousness > > is good, unconsciousness, bad; or so we feel. > > But, is this so? > > > > Once the intimation of the true situation downs, > > we realize being conscious is a shimmering on > > the surface of an infinite unconscious intelligent > > whole. Paradoxically, the basic sensation of our > > true nature is this complete immutable lack of > > any sensory input. Dead, or alive, deep coma, > > or deep sleep has no meaning in that. Our > > grave is our cradle. Live, sing, dance, be by all > > means, a Grateful Dead. Dig it, or not! > > > > Pete > > > Coma is a nice vacation spot. Very peaceful and restful and with none > of the more common tourist traps like souvenirs or mementos. Food's > so good you don't need to eat it with your own mouth and the sunsets > are to die for. > ........bob > LOL! tell it to doctors trying to get you back ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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