Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 In a message dated 5/7/2006 9:43:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie5 writes: > B:Here is a quote from Consciousness and the Absolute that > references deep sleep: > > What is the worth of all the activities of human beings? It > is all entertainment, just to pass time. You get pleasure > only when you forget yourself; in deep sleep you have > forgotten yourself, that itself is joy. > > I don't see that as being signficantly at odds with the > I Am That quotes that I presented regarding deep sleep. > Do you? > > > Bill > > P: No I don't, but you chose a pretty lame quote. > Below is one with a murderous edge. One that > could, if rightly understood decapitate all beliefs > of consciousness and Beingness being more than a > sideshow. > > M: Consciousness is time flowing continuously, > but I, the Absolute will not have its company > eternally because consciousness is time bound. > When the beingness goes, the Absolute will not > know " I Am. " Appearance and disappearance, birth > and death, these are the qualities of beingness; > they are not your qualities. You have urinated > and odor is coming from that- are you that odor? > > Q: No, I am not. > > M: This beingness is like that urine. Can you be > that beingness? > > Q: Absolutely not! > > M: You require no more sadhana. For you the words > of the guru are final. > > From " Consciousness And the Absolute " page #8 > > > L.E: Unfortunately, th urine and the odor are one, The odor is the unrine > and the unirne is the odor. So M. is mistaken (for all his truth and virutes) > In that sense, the universe is the relative and the relative is the > universe, or the beyond is the limited and the limited is the beyond, or samsara is > nirvana, and nirvana is samsare, or the iollusion and the truth are related > intimately. Like I have been saying from the beginning of my posting, even if > you refuse to acknowledge it or me. Whether you read this post or not. Your > choice. M insists that the unirne and the odor are not connected and if one realizes that the beyond is not the appearance of things the person has completed their understanding. I insist just the opposite, that they are connected and inversions of each other and if you understand that you have completed your understanding. If you have ears, hear. If you have eyes, see. Larry Epston B: Are you saying you know more than M? L.E: You said it, not I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/7/2006 9:43:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pedsie5 writes: > > > B:Here is a quote from Consciousness and the Absolute that > > references deep sleep: > > > > What is the worth of all the activities of human beings? It > > is all entertainment, just to pass time. You get pleasure > > only when you forget yourself; in deep sleep you have > > forgotten yourself, that itself is joy. > > > > I don't see that as being signficantly at odds with the > > I Am That quotes that I presented regarding deep sleep. > > Do you? > > > > > > Bill > > > > P: No I don't, but you chose a pretty lame quote. > > Below is one with a murderous edge. One that > > could, if rightly understood decapitate all beliefs > > of consciousness and Beingness being more than a > > sideshow. > > > > M: Consciousness is time flowing continuously, > > but I, the Absolute will not have its company > > eternally because consciousness is time bound. > > When the beingness goes, the Absolute will not > > know " I Am. " Appearance and disappearance, birth > > and death, these are the qualities of beingness; > > they are not your qualities. You have urinated > > and odor is coming from that- are you that odor? > > > > Q: No, I am not. > > > > M: This beingness is like that urine. Can you be > > that beingness? > > > > Q: Absolutely not! > > > > M: You require no more sadhana. For you the words > > of the guru are final. > > > > From " Consciousness And the Absolute " page #8 > > > > > > L.E: Unfortunately, th urine and the odor are one, The odor is the unrine > > and the unirne is the odor. So M. is mistaken (for all his truth and virutes) > > In that sense, the universe is the relative and the relative is the > > universe, or the beyond is the limited and the limited is the beyond, or samsara is > > nirvana, and nirvana is samsare, or the iollusion and the truth are related > > intimately. Like I have been saying from the beginning of my posting, even if > > you refuse to acknowledge it or me. Whether you read this post or not. Your > > choice. > > > M insists that the unirne and the odor are not connected and if one realizes > that the beyond is not the appearance of things the person has completed their > understanding. I insist just the opposite, that they are connected and > inversions of each other and if you understand that you have completed your > understanding. If you have ears, hear. If you have eyes, see. > > Larry Epston ** You're confusing me with all these numbers, Larry. One, two, none, etc. Sometimes I think the best thing to do with a number is to smoke it. > > B: Are you saying you know more than M? > > L.E: You said it, not I. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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