Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 On 5/7/06, epston <epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/7/2006 9:43:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pedsie5 writes: > > > B:Here is a quote from Consciousness and the Absolute that > > references deep sleep: > > > > What is the worth of all the activities of human beings? It > > is all entertainment, just to pass time. You get pleasure > > only when you forget yourself; in deep sleep you have > > forgotten yourself, that itself is joy. > > > > I don't see that as being signficantly at odds with the > > I Am That quotes that I presented regarding deep sleep. > > Do you? > > > > > > Bill > > > > P: No I don't, but you chose a pretty lame quote. > > Below is one with a murderous edge. One that > > could, if rightly understood decapitate all beliefs > > of consciousness and Beingness being more than a > > sideshow. > > > > M: Consciousness is time flowing continuously, > > but I, the Absolute will not have its company > > eternally because consciousness is time bound. > > When the beingness goes, the Absolute will not > > know " I Am. " Appearance and disappearance, birth > > and death, these are the qualities of beingness; > > they are not your qualities. You have urinated > > and odor is coming from that- are you that odor? > > > > Q: No, I am not. > > > > M: This beingness is like that urine. Can you be > > that beingness? > > > > Q: Absolutely not! > > > > M: You require no more sadhana. For you the words > > of the guru are final. > > > > From " Consciousness And the Absolute " page #8 > > > > > > L.E: Unfortunately, th urine and the odor are one, The odor is the > unrine > > and the unirne is the odor. So M. is mistaken (for all his truth and > virutes) > > In that sense, the universe is the relative and the relative is the > > universe, or the beyond is the limited and the limited is the beyond, or > samsara is > > nirvana, and nirvana is samsare, or the iollusion and the truth are > related > > intimately. Like I have been saying from the beginning of my posting, > even if > > you refuse to acknowledge it or me. Whether you read this post or not. > Your > > choice. > > > M insists that the unirne and the odor are not connected and if one > realizes > that the beyond is not the appearance of things the person has completed > their > understanding. I insist just the opposite, that they are connected and > inversions of each other and if you understand that you have completed > your > understanding. If you have ears, hear. If you have eyes, see. > > Larry Epston > > B: Are you saying you know more than M? > Who is 'B' here Larry? Above you use 'B' to represent my comments, but here it certainly is not me that 'B' represents. So who *does* be represent here Larry? Bill L.E: You said it, not I. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/7/06, epston <epston wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2006 9:43:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > pedsie5 writes: > > > > > B:Here is a quote from Consciousness and the Absolute that > > > references deep sleep: > > > > > > What is the worth of all the activities of human beings? It > > > is all entertainment, just to pass time. You get pleasure > > > only when you forget yourself; in deep sleep you have > > > forgotten yourself, that itself is joy. > > > > > > I don't see that as being signficantly at odds with the > > > I Am That quotes that I presented regarding deep sleep. > > > Do you? > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: No I don't, but you chose a pretty lame quote. > > > Below is one with a murderous edge. One that > > > could, if rightly understood decapitate all beliefs > > > of consciousness and Beingness being more than a > > > sideshow. > > > > > > M: Consciousness is time flowing continuously, > > > but I, the Absolute will not have its company > > > eternally because consciousness is time bound. > > > When the beingness goes, the Absolute will not > > > know " I Am. " Appearance and disappearance, birth > > > and death, these are the qualities of beingness; > > > they are not your qualities. You have urinated > > > and odor is coming from that- are you that odor? > > > > > > Q: No, I am not. > > > > > > M: This beingness is like that urine. Can you be > > > that beingness? > > > > > > Q: Absolutely not! > > > > > > M: You require no more sadhana. For you the words > > > of the guru are final. > > > > > > From " Consciousness And the Absolute " page #8 > > > > > > > > > L.E: Unfortunately, th urine and the odor are one, The odor is the > > unrine > > > and the unirne is the odor. So M. is mistaken (for all his truth and > > virutes) > > > In that sense, the universe is the relative and the relative is the > > > universe, or the beyond is the limited and the limited is the beyond, or > > samsara is > > > nirvana, and nirvana is samsare, or the iollusion and the truth are > > related > > > intimately. Like I have been saying from the beginning of my posting, > > even if > > > you refuse to acknowledge it or me. Whether you read this post or not. > > Your > > > choice. > > > > > > M insists that the unirne and the odor are not connected and if one > > realizes > > that the beyond is not the appearance of things the person has completed > > their > > understanding. I insist just the opposite, that they are connected and > > inversions of each other and if you understand that you have completed > > your > > understanding. If you have ears, hear. If you have eyes, see. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > B: Are you saying you know more than M? > > > > Who is 'B' here Larry? > Above you use 'B' to represent my comments, but here > it certainly is not me that 'B' represents. > > So who *does* be represent here Larry? > > Bill > > L.E: You said it, not I. > > Are you being coy? I did not say that. Can you give me a message number for a post where I said that? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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