if there is any bliss..trembling...astonishment....

[Guest guest]

If there is in you any notions or feelings of bliss, trembling,

shivering, quivering, diddering...palpatating hearts of joy, feelings

of love unbounded, understanding(with a capital U),

blessedness,shiverings of delight and ten thousand other sweet little

movements in your body or mind, that spell RELIEF from the knock

down, work-away, full of bullshit world.....you are so far from

REALITY and GOD.....not even God could convince you to stop all the

crap and ..come HOME. If this is your situation....WAKE UP.....smell

the roses that are in your garden..not those in your head and in your

words. You do have a HEART no? Not the beating kind....the KNOWING

kind. The kind of Kindness not often found in the world or on these

lists. And some so abhor TRUTH that they do make abomination of

anything that is not in congruence with their own puny pinings. This

is not sad nor pathetic nor sinful nor pitiable nor admirable nor

likable nor understandable. This is the Way of the World. All the

sublime feelings puffed up about solemnity and beauty are felt

exactly as much and as deep, by tribal witchdoctors worshiping their

totems, by canibals as their feast, those who slaughter as they war,

and that list goes on and on. But I bet not one of them or those, has

ever experienced the TRUTH of a bunch of friends on a beach playing

volleyball in the sun, to the sound of the surf; or,of a single one,

who gives aid to the street bum and doesn't do it because it's " the

right thing to do " . There's True Grit..True Life...True God. And

there is no waxing philosophical about it, no prose or poetry that

even comes close to it's expression. Jesus, Shankara, Buddha, Niz,

Ramana...etc. etc.(the list is long!)..didn't sit around and see how

good they could come off or sound to the boys and girls. These were

Men...they got up and went..got their hands and feet dirty and

occassionaly came to some pretty good disagreements with folks. They

Lived Life. Now that's Righteous! The people who use their words or

works for their own premeditated ideas of right and wrong...they are

on a mission, and have an agenda, that get's them through life but

never lets them get on the 'inside', where all their nonsense comes

to an end and a True Light of True Light shines.

 

....bob

[Guest guest]

On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> If there is in you any notions or feelings of bliss, trembling,

> shivering, quivering, diddering...palpatating hearts of joy, feelings

> of love unbounded, understanding(with a capital U),

> blessedness,shiverings of delight and ten thousand other sweet little

> movements in your body or mind, that spell RELIEF from the knock

> down, work-away, full of bullshit world.....you are so far from

> REALITY and GOD.....not even God could convince you to stop all the

> crap and ..come HOME. If this is your situation....WAKE UP.....smell

> the roses that are in your garden..not those in your head and in your

> words. You do have a HEART no? Not the beating kind....the KNOWING

> kind. The kind of Kindness not often found in the world or on these

> lists. And some so abhor TRUTH that they do make abomination of

> anything that is not in congruence with their own puny pinings. This

> is not sad nor pathetic nor sinful nor pitiable nor admirable nor

> likable nor understandable. This is the Way of the World. All the

> sublime feelings puffed up about solemnity and beauty are felt

> exactly as much and as deep, by tribal witchdoctors worshiping their

> totems, by canibals as their feast, those who slaughter as they war,

> and that list goes on and on. But I bet not one of them or those, has

> ever experienced the TRUTH of a bunch of friends on a beach playing

> volleyball in the sun, to the sound of the surf; or,of a single one,

> who gives aid to the street bum and doesn't do it because it's " the

> right thing to do " . There's True Grit..True Life...True God. And

> there is no waxing philosophical about it, no prose or poetry that

> even comes close to it's expression. Jesus, Shankara, Buddha, Niz,

> Ramana...etc. etc.(the list is long!)..didn't sit around and see how

> good they could come off or sound to the boys and girls. These were

> Men...they got up and went..got their hands and feet dirty and

> occassionaly came to some pretty good disagreements with folks. They

> Lived Life. Now that's Righteous! The people who use their words or

> works for their own premeditated ideas of right and wrong...they are

> on a mission, and have an agenda, that get's them through life but

> never lets them get on the 'inside', where all their nonsense comes

> to an end and a True Light of True Light shines.

>

> ....bob

>

 

another missive from the Holy Church of Straightening Others Out

 

talking about " others " is highly deluded, IMO.

 

is the writer in the business of ardently protecting the faith

by making sure that other members of this list don't fall

for the deluded talk in such as the " shivers " post?

 

perhaps the writer underestimates the ability of the members

of this list to make their own assessments.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn

wrote:

>

> On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > If there is in you any notions or feelings of bliss, trembling,

> > shivering, quivering, diddering...palpatating hearts of joy,

feelings

> > of love unbounded, understanding(with a capital U),

> > blessedness,shiverings of delight and ten thousand other sweet

little

> > movements in your body or mind, that spell RELIEF from the knock

> > down, work-away, full of bullshit world.....you are so far from

> > REALITY and GOD.....not even God could convince you to stop all

the

> > crap and ..come HOME. If this is your situation....WAKE

UP.....smell

> > the roses that are in your garden..not those in your head and in

your

> > words. You do have a HEART no? Not the beating kind....the KNOWING

> > kind. The kind of Kindness not often found in the world or on

these

> > lists. And some so abhor TRUTH that they do make abomination of

> > anything that is not in congruence with their own puny pinings.

This

> > is not sad nor pathetic nor sinful nor pitiable nor admirable nor

> > likable nor understandable. This is the Way of the World. All the

> > sublime feelings puffed up about solemnity and beauty are felt

> > exactly as much and as deep, by tribal witchdoctors worshiping

their

> > totems, by canibals as their feast, those who slaughter as they

war,

> > and that list goes on and on. But I bet not one of them or those,

has

> > ever experienced the TRUTH of a bunch of friends on a beach

playing

> > volleyball in the sun, to the sound of the surf; or,of a single

one,

> > who gives aid to the street bum and doesn't do it because

it's " the

> > right thing to do " . There's True Grit..True Life...True God. And

> > there is no waxing philosophical about it, no prose or poetry that

> > even comes close to it's expression. Jesus, Shankara, Buddha, Niz,

> > Ramana...etc. etc.(the list is long!)..didn't sit around and see

how

> > good they could come off or sound to the boys and girls. These

were

> > Men...they got up and went..got their hands and feet dirty and

> > occassionaly came to some pretty good disagreements with folks.

They

> > Lived Life. Now that's Righteous! The people who use their words

or

> > works for their own premeditated ideas of right and wrong...they

are

> > on a mission, and have an agenda, that get's them through life but

> > never lets them get on the 'inside', where all their nonsense

comes

> > to an end and a True Light of True Light shines.

> >

> > ....bob

> >

>

> another missive from the Holy Church of Straightening Others Out

>

> talking about " others " is highly deluded, IMO.

>

> is the writer in the business of ardently protecting the faith

> by making sure that other members of this list don't fall

> for the deluded talk in such as the " shivers " post?

>

> perhaps the writer underestimates the ability of the members

> of this list to make their own assessments.

>

Bill.......I'm NOT preaching. I'm as guilty as anyone else of missing

the point. I guess my stories are like your attempts at poetic

interlude...unless you are really trying to say that YOU have the

Power, Wisdom, Enlightenment. And William..I am Bob..not 'the

writer'. You get off your Pompous Act and I'll try and communicate.

This posting wasn't directed at you. You are not the only one on this

list. I overestimated in your case Bill. IMO Bill...you seem to be

the Ardent Protector of the Church Of Blissful Bill. Good for you

sport. Enjoy. Have the human decency to let others express opinions

as well. YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT BILL! Please ignore my posts from

now on...they do not, and never have involved you(unless I wrote any

of them to you directly) so be quiet. Thank you.

........bob

[Guest guest]

On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn

> wrote:

> >

> > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > > If there is in you any notions or feelings of bliss, trembling,

> > > shivering, quivering, diddering...palpatating hearts of joy,

> feelings

> > > of love unbounded, understanding(with a capital U),

> > > blessedness,shiverings of delight and ten thousand other sweet

> little

> > > movements in your body or mind, that spell RELIEF from the knock

> > > down, work-away, full of bullshit world.....you are so far from

> > > REALITY and GOD.....not even God could convince you to stop all

> the

> > > crap and ..come HOME. If this is your situation....WAKE

> UP.....smell

> > > the roses that are in your garden..not those in your head and in

> your

> > > words. You do have a HEART no? Not the beating kind....the KNOWING

> > > kind. The kind of Kindness not often found in the world or on

> these

> > > lists. And some so abhor TRUTH that they do make abomination of

> > > anything that is not in congruence with their own puny pinings.

> This

> > > is not sad nor pathetic nor sinful nor pitiable nor admirable nor

> > > likable nor understandable. This is the Way of the World. All the

> > > sublime feelings puffed up about solemnity and beauty are felt

> > > exactly as much and as deep, by tribal witchdoctors worshiping

> their

> > > totems, by canibals as their feast, those who slaughter as they

> war,

> > > and that list goes on and on. But I bet not one of them or those,

> has

> > > ever experienced the TRUTH of a bunch of friends on a beach

> playing

> > > volleyball in the sun, to the sound of the surf; or,of a single

> one,

> > > who gives aid to the street bum and doesn't do it because

> it's " the

> > > right thing to do " . There's True Grit..True Life...True God. And

> > > there is no waxing philosophical about it, no prose or poetry that

> > > even comes close to it's expression. Jesus, Shankara, Buddha, Niz,

> > > Ramana...etc. etc.(the list is long!)..didn't sit around and see

> how

> > > good they could come off or sound to the boys and girls. These

> were

> > > Men...they got up and went..got their hands and feet dirty and

> > > occassionaly came to some pretty good disagreements with folks.

> They

> > > Lived Life. Now that's Righteous! The people who use their words

> or

> > > works for their own premeditated ideas of right and wrong...they

> are

> > > on a mission, and have an agenda, that get's them through life but

> > > never lets them get on the 'inside', where all their nonsense

> comes

> > > to an end and a True Light of True Light shines.

> > >

> > > ....bob

> > >

> >

> > another missive from the Holy Church of Straightening Others Out

> >

> > talking about " others " is highly deluded, IMO.

> >

> > is the writer in the business of ardently protecting the faith

> > by making sure that other members of this list don't fall

> > for the deluded talk in such as the " shivers " post?

> >

> > perhaps the writer underestimates the ability of the members

> > of this list to make their own assessments.

> >

> Bill.......I'm NOT preaching. I'm as guilty as anyone else of missing

> the point. I guess my stories are like your attempts at poetic

> interlude...unless you are really trying to say that YOU have the

> Power, Wisdom, Enlightenment. And William..I am Bob..not 'the

> writer'. You get off your Pompous Act and I'll try and communicate.

> This posting wasn't directed at you. You are not the only one on this

> list. I overestimated in your case Bill. IMO Bill...you seem to be

> the Ardent Protector of the Church Of Blissful Bill. Good for you

> sport. Enjoy. Have the human decency to let others express opinions

> as well. YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT BILL! Please ignore my posts from

> now on...they do not, and never have involved you(unless I wrote any

> of them to you directly) so be quiet. Thank you.

> ........bob

 

Bob,

 

Regardless of whom your message was directed *at*, it was

a statement of " as against " was it not?

 

Why oppose when so much more valuable is to share

vulnerably here what is of your own experience?

 

Perhaps some of what I said does apply to me as well,

as my message was aimed at minimizing bombastic

flaming here. So could see myself as playing " keeper

of the faith " in my own way.

 

But since this list in effect is unmoderated, a point here

and there about consideration for others can seem in

order to me.

 

I was struck by a particular quote of Nisargadatta where

he says, " Don't criticise others! "

 

Perhaps you don't see your post as criticism of anyone.

If that is really true, then all I have said here and in

previous post does not apply.

 

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn

wrote:

>

> On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > SNIP<

 

 

> Regardless of whom your message was directed *at*, it was

> a statement of " as against " was it not?

>

> Why oppose when so much more valuable is to share

> vulnerably here what is of your own experience?

>

> Perhaps some of what I said does apply to me as well,

> as my message was aimed at minimizing bombastic

> flaming here. So could see myself as playing " keeper

> of the faith " in my own way.

>

> But since this list in effect is unmoderated, a point here

> and there about consideration for others can seem in

> order to me.

>

> I was struck by a particular quote of Nisargadatta where

> he says, " Don't criticise others! "

>

> Perhaps you don't see your post as criticism of anyone.

> If that is really true, then all I have said here and in

> previous post does not apply.

>

>

> Bill

 

 

Regardless of whom your message was directed *at*, it was

> a statement of " as against " was it not?

 

No.

 

 

Perhaps you don't see your post as criticism of anyone.

> If that is really true, then all I have said here and in

> previous post does not apply.

>

 

Your perhaps is correct. If at anytime I come off as directing any

statement at anyone in particular,that's not the case; if it is the

case, I will say so. I think I've made that clear on this list

before. If I am posting what appears to be a 'misive' or deregation

or corrective of any sort, I am also in the crowd to whom that post

is directed. I have a style of writing that can be read into by many

as meaning many things, I guess. Frankly I no longer care how it's

taken. I know what's right for me and for me only. I'm a journeyer

Bill.....I have not arrived(and hope I never do in this lifetime). So

as I go along the trail, I'll continue to scratch my musings on the

rocks. If a passerby should read any of them and believe they are

addressed to himself...he may be right. But it is he who addresses

the envelope...not I. That scratching was for my own amusement and

perhaps a guidepost for those who can see it as such: the ponderings

of a man in search of his and the World's soul.

 

...bob

[Guest guest]

On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn

> wrote:

> >

> > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > SNIP<

>

>

> > Regardless of whom your message was directed *at*, it was

> > a statement of " as against " was it not?

> >

> > Why oppose when so much more valuable is to share

> > vulnerably here what is of your own experience?

> >

> > Perhaps some of what I said does apply to me as well,

> > as my message was aimed at minimizing bombastic

> > flaming here. So could see myself as playing " keeper

> > of the faith " in my own way.

> >

> > But since this list in effect is unmoderated, a point here

> > and there about consideration for others can seem in

> > order to me.

> >

> > I was struck by a particular quote of Nisargadatta where

> > he says, " Don't criticise others! "

> >

> > Perhaps you don't see your post as criticism of anyone.

> > If that is really true, then all I have said here and in

> > previous post does not apply.

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> Regardless of whom your message was directed *at*, it was

> > a statement of " as against " was it not?

>

> No.

>

>

> Perhaps you don't see your post as criticism of anyone.

> > If that is really true, then all I have said here and in

> > previous post does not apply.

> >

>

> Your perhaps is correct. If at anytime I come off as directing any

> statement at anyone in particular,that's not the case; if it is the

> case, I will say so. I think I've made that clear on this list

> before. If I am posting what appears to be a 'misive' or deregation

> or corrective of any sort, I am also in the crowd to whom that post

> is directed. I have a style of writing that can be read into by many

> as meaning many things, I guess. Frankly I no longer care how it's

> taken. I know what's right for me and for me only. I'm a journeyer

> Bill.....I have not arrived(and hope I never do in this lifetime). So

> as I go along the trail, I'll continue to scratch my musings on the

> rocks. If a passerby should read any of them and believe they are

> addressed to himself...he may be right. But it is he who addresses

> the envelope...not I. That scratching was for my own amusement and

> perhaps a guidepost for those who can see it as such: the ponderings

> of a man in search of his and the World's soul.

>

> ...bob

 

Well then, seems that we understand each other afterall.

 

" But it is he who addresses

the envelope...not I. "

very clever!

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Dear seeker;

 

Miracles & Lord

 

Let us assume that somebody is suffering from some problem. Lord gave this

sufferance for his sin, which only brings realisation. This is the divine

administration. Lord only knows when to relieve him. If human beings have been

given powers, they do not know the full details of the soul, they may misutilise

these powers for curing etc. But this is against His administration. Lord will

not be pleased with the person who is using Lord's power only to cure him. The

powers obtained by human beings are like stones in the hands of a mad fellow,

who do not have any discrimination. Moreover when human beings do the miracles,

they take the credit of them. The owner of these powers is Lord and human being

cannot take the credit of them. The love of Lord on human beings is more than

our brotherly love on the co-human beings. So we need not interfere in His

administration.

 

Lord in human form preaches the true knowledge. But miracles are required to

convert atheists into theists. Sometimes people approach, who show powers

thinking to exploit those powers for their selfish end. They want to use that

power to cure some big diseases of family members, to get solutions of their

long-standing family problems etc. Such people are not bothered of Lord but

concentrate on His power. They are in hurry to get their problems solved. They

will finally end up in such people, who in turn loot them.

 

When one is desirous of lord only with out selfish intention, He will

definitely find Him only. Our pious desire attracts Him and our selfish bad

odour repels Him.

 

Generally people are interested in the powers of Lord to get self-enjoyment in

the form of visions, telepathy, astral travel, power of curing diseases

etc….This is not the true path of devotion. The very meaning of devotion is true

love on Lord. People aspire for spiritual growth. But the meaning of their

spiritual growth is more visions, get powers for curing diseases of self and

other to get name and fame, perform miracles etc…. These people are ignorant in

one way because they have not realised the Lord & His true devotion. Spiritual

growth itself means increase of devotion on Lord day by day by getting more and

more divine knowledge. They do not have any trace of devotion on Lord. But they

pretend that they have devotion in front of Lord for getting His powers. No

human incarnation had ever encouraged such things.

 

The reason for interest in His powers only (and not in Lord) is greed for

fame, selfishness etc. Such people end up in such gurus only who encourage these

type of activities. They can never come near to Satguru (Lord in Human form like

Jesus, Krishna, Mohd. Prophet, Buddha …..) who do not encourage such activities.

The real devotee are (like Swami Vivekananda, Prahlada, Gopikas, Hanuman ....)

diamonds and remaining are like gravel stones. Lord is also not bothered of

gravel stones, which will be in majority. Jesus also said, the true path leading

to Lord is very very narrow with full of thorns with 2 or 3 people.

 

Once one got used to these powers, name, fame etc. it is difficult to come out

of this. This is a sort of addiction. But Lord is not pleased with him and will

punish him latter. This is definitely not the right path.

 

Satguru (Lord in human form) also gives divine visions to disciples to improve

their faith. Finally the divine knowledge only helps in getting the real

devotion towards the lord. As long as a disciple wants to use his guru for his

selfish ends, he will get into that of type of guru, who will utilise his

services for his benefit.

 

At the Lotus Feet of Shri Datta Swami

 

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

Your perhaps is correct. If at anytime I come off as directing any

statement at anyone in particular,that's not the case; if it is the

case, I will say so. I think I've

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them and believe they are addressed to himself...he may be right.

But it is he who addresses the envelope...not I. That scratching was

for my own amusement and perhaps a guidepost for those

who can see it as such: the ponderings

of a man in search of his and the World's soul.

 

...bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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