Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On May 9, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: >> To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is itself >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable. >> >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a truck, >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be > hurt. " >> >> This is true. >> >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the individual >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, or >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, idea >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material. P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom. You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words, a semantical trick. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On 5/9/06, Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > On May 9, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > >> To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that > >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is itself > >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable. > >> > >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a truck, > >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be > > hurt. " > >> > >> This is true. > >> > >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the individual > >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, or > >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, idea > >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material. > > P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom. > You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental > attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it > into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words, > a semantical trick. > Seems to me you have misread Dan's comment here. He wasn't projecting belief into a cosmic principle at all. He was talking of belief " that *structures* what we call the universe " ...etc. For example, the belief in space and time as real is not belief of the same order as a belief that God is angry and intends to punish humankind. The latter is belief that " someone " has and considers that they have. The former is woven into the very programming of the brain and tends to be totally unconscious. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/9/06, Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > > On May 9, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > >> To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that > > >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is itself > > >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable. > > >> > > >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a truck, > > >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be > > > hurt. " > > >> > > >> This is true. > > >> > > >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the individual > > >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, or > > >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, idea > > >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material. > > > > P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom. > > You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental > > attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it > > into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words, > > a semantical trick. > > > > Seems to me you have misread Dan's comment here. > He wasn't projecting belief into a cosmic principle at all. > > He was talking of belief " that *structures* what we call the universe " ...etc. > > For example, the belief in space and time as real is not belief > of the same order as a belief that God is angry and intends to > punish humankind. The latter is belief that " someone " has and > considers that they have. The former is woven into the very > programming of the brain and tends to be totally unconscious. > > Bill Bingo! And it is also woven into the perception of the brain as a thing that performs operations over time. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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