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On May 9, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote:

 

>> To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that

>> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is itself

>> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable.

>>

>> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a truck,

>> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be

> hurt. "

>>

>> This is true.

>>

>> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the individual

>> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, or

>> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, idea

>> and form, mind and body, spirit and material.

 

P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom.

You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental

attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it

into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words,

a semantical trick.

 

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On 5/9/06, Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

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> On May 9, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote:

>

> >> To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that

> >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is itself

> >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable.

> >>

> >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a truck,

> >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be

> > hurt. "

> >>

> >> This is true.

> >>

> >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the individual

> >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, or

> >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, idea

> >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material.

>

> P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom.

> You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental

> attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it

> into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words,

> a semantical trick.

>

 

Seems to me you have misread Dan's comment here.

He wasn't projecting belief into a cosmic principle at all.

 

He was talking of belief " that *structures* what we call the universe " ...etc.

 

For example, the belief in space and time as real is not belief

of the same order as a belief that God is angry and intends to

punish humankind. The latter is belief that " someone " has and

considers that they have. The former is woven into the very

programming of the brain and tends to be totally unconscious.

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> On 5/9/06, Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

> >

> > On May 9, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote:

> >

> > >> To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that

> > >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is

itself

> > >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable.

> > >>

> > >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a

truck,

> > >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be

> > > hurt. "

> > >>

> > >> This is true.

> > >>

> > >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the

individual

> > >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the

universe, or

> > >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in,

idea

> > >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material.

> >

> > P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom.

> > You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental

> > attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it

> > into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words,

> > a semantical trick.

> >

>

> Seems to me you have misread Dan's comment here.

> He wasn't projecting belief into a cosmic principle at all.

>

> He was talking of belief " that *structures* what we call the

universe " ...etc.

>

> For example, the belief in space and time as real is not belief

> of the same order as a belief that God is angry and intends to

> punish humankind. The latter is belief that " someone " has and

> considers that they have. The former is woven into the very

> programming of the brain and tends to be totally unconscious.

>

> Bill

 

Bingo!

 

And it is also woven into the perception of the brain as a thing that

performs operations over time.

 

-- Dan

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