Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that > >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is itself > >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable. > >> > >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a truck, > >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be > > hurt. " > >> > >> This is true. > >> > >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the individual > >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, or > >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, idea > >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material. > > P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom. > You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental > attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it > into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words, > a semantical trick. > Seems to me you have misread Dan's comment here. He wasn't projecting belief into a cosmic principle at all. He was talking of belief " that *structures* what we call the universe " ...etc. For example, the belief in space and time as real is not belief of the same order as a belief that God is angry and intends to punish humankind. The latter is belief that " someone " has and considers that they have. The former is woven into the very programming of the brain and tends to be totally unconscious. Bill P: Pard me, if I don't discuss what Dan meant with you, I don't think you're a greater authority on what he meant, than I am. I'll wait to see if he has anything to say to me. Anyway, thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On 5/9/06, Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > To think that there is a correlation between belief and things that > > >> exist, or a lack of correlation, is to miss that existence is > itself > > >> belief, that " things " and " beliefs " aren't ultimately separable. > > >> > > >> Typically, people will respond by saying, " if you get hit by a > truck, > > >> and don't want to believe it, it doesn't matter, you will still be > > > hurt. " > > >> > > >> This is true. > > >> > > >> So, we are talking about a deeper level of belief than the > individual > > >> conscious mind - belief that structures what we call the universe, > or > > >> manifestation - without separation of believer and believed-in, > idea > > >> and form, mind and body, spirit and material. > > > > P: Ha, ha! Anthropomorphic projection, disguised as wisdom. > > You take a word like belief who simply denotes a mental > > attitude of trust, a feeling of certitude, and try to project it > > into a cosmic principle. That is nothing but playing with words, > > a semantical trick. > > > > Seems to me you have misread Dan's comment here. > He wasn't projecting belief into a cosmic principle at all. > > He was talking of belief " that *structures* what we call the > universe " ...etc. > > For example, the belief in space and time as real is not belief > of the same order as a belief that God is angry and intends to > punish humankind. The latter is belief that " someone " has and > considers that they have. The former is woven into the very > programming of the brain and tends to be totally unconscious. > > Bill > > > P: Pard me, if I don't discuss what Dan meant with you, > I don't think you're a greater authority on what he meant, > than I am. I'll wait to see if he has anything to say to me. > > Anyway, thanks for your help! > Since he is likely not to show up for some time... I thought I'd put you out of your conceptual misery with those little hints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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