Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/9/06, prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Dear friend; > > > > Your explanation need to be analysed with lit bit understanding of various concepts related to unimaginable God; > > > > The existence of the unimaginable God is not accepted because it is beyond experience. Therefore, a philosopher has to stop with the soul, which is a part of the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakriti. God associated with Mula Maya is called Parabrahman. The Mula Maya acts as the medium for us to receive God. If the Mula Maya is also absent, then God cannot be received by us and He becomes completely unimaginable. The Mula Maya is charged by God like the wire by electricity. Therefore, you can treat the Mula Maya or the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness as God. > > > > Thus, such Mula Maya is the first incarnation of God, which alone can be grasped by our intelligence or can be experienced by us. In such divine Mula Maya, which can be called as almost God or Parabrahman, the will of creation arose. Such will is in the form of Knowledge, action and decision. Therefore, such will is called as Maya, which consists of the three qualities Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas respectively. Such Maya is also charged by Parabrahman and is called as Ishwara. The original Mula Maya charged by God was called as Brahman. Thus, Maya is in the form of will alone. > > > > This entire Maya is not materialized further in the view of God to become the Universe. In the view of God, it remains as His will alone. The materialized world is the modification of just a drop of the ocean of Mula Maya thrown out as an object for the entertainment of God. In the view of God even this materialized world is almost like the imaginary world, being a tiny particle of the Infinite Ocean of Mula Maya. The human being is a part of this materialized world, which is only the imaginary world in the view of God. Thus, this materialized world (Prakriti) also can be called as Maya (Mayamtu Prakritim—Gita) in the view of God. > > > > In the view of the human being the gross bodies made of five elements in this universe appear as materialized forms simultaneously. The human being is actually a part of this materialized Universe. The soul in the human being is a part of Mula Maya in its original (unmaterialized) form. Similarly, the subtle body or Jeeva is a part of Maya. The gross body, which is in materialized form for the individual, is still an imaginary form in the view of God. Thus in the view of God there is no difference between the subtle body and the gross body as far as the point of imagination is concerned. This means though the gross body is made of five elements and the subtle body is made of the three qualities, both these bodies are only imaginations in the view of God. > > > > At the Lotus Feet of Shri Datta Swami > > www.Universal-spirituality.org > > > > conceptual frameworks such as outlined here don't interest me. > sorry. > > > > Bill Bill, this IS addressed to you. Why on earth or heaven do you think this gentleman is trying to gain YOUR or MY or anyone in particular's attention? I'm sure he could care less on any individualistic level whether I or you or anyone took up the case as our own. He's expressing his beliefs as far as I can see and he probably doesn't have much interest in postings of mine, or yours either for that matter, regarding our beliefs.He endures them though. I've never seen a malevolent posting from him. So what IS the problem? Why try to cast out his thoughts? What is it with this little coven of conspirituality in this so called spiritual room? This belief thing, and all the different forms that it takes, causes more grief and disparity in the world than any other attribute of our species(me included Bill). Well the group could just ban him or ignore him or whatever other enlightened approach that is deployed here often enough, and in the name of sanctity for God's sake! .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn > wrote: > > > > On 5/9/06, prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > > Dear friend; > > > > > > Your explanation need to be analysed with lit bit understanding > of various concepts related to unimaginable God; > > > > > > The existence of the unimaginable God is not accepted because > it is beyond experience. Therefore, a philosopher has to stop with > the soul, which is a part of the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness > called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakriti. God associated with Mula Maya > is called Parabrahman. The Mula Maya acts as the medium for us to > receive God. If the Mula Maya is also absent, then God cannot be > received by us and He becomes completely unimaginable. The Mula Maya > is charged by God like the wire by electricity. Therefore, you can > treat the Mula Maya or the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness as God. > > > > > > Thus, such Mula Maya is the first incarnation of God, which > alone can be grasped by our intelligence or can be experienced by > us. In such divine Mula Maya, which can be called as almost God or > Parabrahman, the will of creation arose. Such will is in the form of > Knowledge, action and decision. Therefore, such will is called as > Maya, which consists of the three qualities Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas > respectively. Such Maya is also charged by Parabrahman and is called > as Ishwara. The original Mula Maya charged by God was called as > Brahman. Thus, Maya is in the form of will alone. > > > > > > This entire Maya is not materialized further in the view of God > to become the Universe. In the view of God, it remains as His will > alone. The materialized world is the modification of just a drop of > the ocean of Mula Maya thrown out as an object for the entertainment > of God. In the view of God even this materialized world is almost > like the imaginary world, being a tiny particle of the Infinite Ocean > of Mula Maya. The human being is a part of this materialized world, > which is only the imaginary world in the view of God. Thus, this > materialized world (Prakriti) also can be called as Maya (Mayamtu > Prakritim—Gita) in the view of God. > > > > > > In the view of the human being the gross bodies made of five > elements in this universe appear as materialized forms > simultaneously. The human being is actually a part of this > materialized Universe. The soul in the human being is a part of Mula > Maya in its original (unmaterialized) form. Similarly, the subtle > body or Jeeva is a part of Maya. The gross body, which is in > materialized form for the individual, is still an imaginary form in > the view of God. Thus in the view of God there is no difference > between the subtle body and the gross body as far as the point of > imagination is concerned. This means though the gross body is made > of five elements and the subtle body is made of the three qualities, > both these bodies are only imaginations in the view of God. > > > > > > At the Lotus Feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > www.Universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > conceptual frameworks such as outlined here don't interest me. > > sorry. > > > > > > > > Bill > > Bill, this IS addressed to you. > Why on earth or heaven do you think this gentleman is trying to gain > YOUR or MY or anyone in particular's attention? I'm sure he could > care less on any individualistic level whether I or you or anyone > took up the case as our own. He's expressing his beliefs as far as I > can see and he probably doesn't have much interest in postings of > mine, or yours either for that matter, regarding our beliefs.He > endures them though. I've never seen a malevolent posting from him. > So what IS the problem? Why try to cast out his thoughts? my how you construe, Bob... no need to cast out what never " went in " ... since the posting seemed to be directed to me it seemed only courteous to reply with a brief explanation regarding my lack of interest. > What is it > with this little coven of conspirituality in this so called spiritual > room? This belief thing, and all the different forms that it takes, > causes more grief and disparity in the world than any other attribute > of our species(me included Bill). Well the group could just ban him > or ignore him or whatever other enlightened approach that is deployed > here often enough, and in the name of sanctity for God's sake! > .........bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > On 5/9/06, prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > Dear friend; > > > > > > > > Your explanation need to be analysed with lit bit understanding > > of various concepts related to unimaginable God; > > > > > > > > The existence of the unimaginable God is not accepted because > > it is beyond experience. Therefore, a philosopher has to stop with > > the soul, which is a part of the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness > > called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakriti. God associated with Mula Maya > > is called Parabrahman. The Mula Maya acts as the medium for us to > > receive God. If the Mula Maya is also absent, then God cannot be > > received by us and He becomes completely unimaginable. The Mula Maya > > is charged by God like the wire by electricity. Therefore, you can > > treat the Mula Maya or the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness as God. > > > > > > > > Thus, such Mula Maya is the first incarnation of God, which > > alone can be grasped by our intelligence or can be experienced by > > us. In such divine Mula Maya, which can be called as almost God or > > Parabrahman, the will of creation arose. Such will is in the form of > > Knowledge, action and decision. Therefore, such will is called as > > Maya, which consists of the three qualities Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas > > respectively. Such Maya is also charged by Parabrahman and is called > > as Ishwara. The original Mula Maya charged by God was called as > > Brahman. Thus, Maya is in the form of will alone. > > > > > > > > This entire Maya is not materialized further in the view of God > > to become the Universe. In the view of God, it remains as His will > > alone. The materialized world is the modification of just a drop of > > the ocean of Mula Maya thrown out as an object for the entertainment > > of God. In the view of God even this materialized world is almost > > like the imaginary world, being a tiny particle of the Infinite Ocean > > of Mula Maya. The human being is a part of this materialized world, > > which is only the imaginary world in the view of God. Thus, this > > materialized world (Prakriti) also can be called as Maya (Mayamtu > > Prakritim—Gita) in the view of God. > > > > > > > > In the view of the human being the gross bodies made of five > > elements in this universe appear as materialized forms > > simultaneously. The human being is actually a part of this > > materialized Universe. The soul in the human being is a part of Mula > > Maya in its original (unmaterialized) form. Similarly, the subtle > > body or Jeeva is a part of Maya. The gross body, which is in > > materialized form for the individual, is still an imaginary form in > > the view of God. Thus in the view of God there is no difference > > between the subtle body and the gross body as far as the point of > > imagination is concerned. This means though the gross body is made > > of five elements and the subtle body is made of the three qualities, > > both these bodies are only imaginations in the view of God. > > > > > > > > At the Lotus Feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > www.Universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > conceptual frameworks such as outlined here don't interest me. > > > sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > Bill, this IS addressed to you. > > Why on earth or heaven do you think this gentleman is trying to gain > > YOUR or MY or anyone in particular's attention? I'm sure he could > > care less on any individualistic level whether I or you or anyone > > took up the case as our own. He's expressing his beliefs as far as I > > can see and he probably doesn't have much interest in postings of > > mine, or yours either for that matter, regarding our beliefs.He > > endures them though. I've never seen a malevolent posting from him. > > So what IS the problem? Why try to cast out his thoughts? > my how you construe, Bob... Bill, I construe nothing. You said you had no interest in his words or conceptual framework(same, same) > no need to cast out what never " went in " ... What the Hell Bill... it DID " go in " .....it was here, it still IS here and your not caring for it means twiddley twat. > since the posting seemed to be directed to me it seemed > only courteous to reply with a brief explanation regarding > my lack of interest. I'm not interested in your excuses. Just being courteous about my lack of interest in anything said here. > > What is it > > with this little coven of conspirituality in this so called spiritual > > room? This belief thing, and all the different forms that it takes, > > causes more grief and disparity in the world than any other attribute > > of our species(me included Bill). Well the group could just ban him > > or ignore him or whatever other enlightened approach that is deployed > > here often enough, and in the name of sanctity for God's sake! > > .........bob REPRISE..................... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn > wrote: > > > > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5/9/06, prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > Dear friend; > > > > > > > > > > Your explanation need to be analysed with lit bit > understanding > > > of various concepts related to unimaginable God; > > > > > > > > > > The existence of the unimaginable God is not accepted > because > > > it is beyond experience. Therefore, a philosopher has to stop > with > > > the soul, which is a part of the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness > > > called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakriti. God associated with Mula > Maya > > > is called Parabrahman. The Mula Maya acts as the medium for us to > > > receive God. If the Mula Maya is also absent, then God cannot be > > > received by us and He becomes completely unimaginable. The Mula > Maya > > > is charged by God like the wire by electricity. Therefore, you > can > > > treat the Mula Maya or the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness as > God. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, such Mula Maya is the first incarnation of God, > which > > > alone can be grasped by our intelligence or can be experienced by > > > us. In such divine Mula Maya, which can be called as almost God > or > > > Parabrahman, the will of creation arose. Such will is in the > form of > > > Knowledge, action and decision. Therefore, such will is called as > > > Maya, which consists of the three qualities Sattvam, Rajas and > Tamas > > > respectively. Such Maya is also charged by Parabrahman and is > called > > > as Ishwara. The original Mula Maya charged by God was called as > > > Brahman. Thus, Maya is in the form of will alone. > > > > > > > > > > This entire Maya is not materialized further in the view of > God > > > to become the Universe. In the view of God, it remains as His > will > > > alone. The materialized world is the modification of just a drop > of > > > the ocean of Mula Maya thrown out as an object for the > entertainment > > > of God. In the view of God even this materialized world is almost > > > like the imaginary world, being a tiny particle of the Infinite > Ocean > > > of Mula Maya. The human being is a part of this materialized > world, > > > which is only the imaginary world in the view of God. Thus, this > > > materialized world (Prakriti) also can be called as Maya (Mayamtu > > > Prakritim—Gita) in the view of God. > > > > > > > > > > In the view of the human being the gross bodies made of > five > > > elements in this universe appear as materialized forms > > > simultaneously. The human being is actually a part of this > > > materialized Universe. The soul in the human being is a part of > Mula > > > Maya in its original (unmaterialized) form. Similarly, the subtle > > > body or Jeeva is a part of Maya. The gross body, which is in > > > materialized form for the individual, is still an imaginary form > in > > > the view of God. Thus in the view of God there is no difference > > > between the subtle body and the gross body as far as the point of > > > imagination is concerned. This means though the gross body is > made > > > of five elements and the subtle body is made of the three > qualities, > > > both these bodies are only imaginations in the view of God. > > > > > > > > > > At the Lotus Feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > > www.Universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > conceptual frameworks such as outlined here don't interest me. > > > > sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Bill, this IS addressed to you. > > > Why on earth or heaven do you think this gentleman is trying to > gain > > > YOUR or MY or anyone in particular's attention? I'm sure he could > > > care less on any individualistic level whether I or you or anyone > > > took up the case as our own. He's expressing his beliefs as far > as I > > > can see and he probably doesn't have much interest in postings of > > > mine, or yours either for that matter, regarding our beliefs.He > > > endures them though. I've never seen a malevolent posting from > him. > > > So what IS the problem? Why try to cast out his thoughts? > > > > > my how you construe, Bob... > > > Bill, I construe nothing. You said you had no interest in his words > or conceptual framework(same, same) > > > > no need to cast out what never " went in " ... > > What the Hell Bill... it DID " go in " .....it was here, it still IS > here and your not caring for it means twiddley twat. > > > > since the posting seemed to be directed to me it seemed > > only courteous to reply with a brief explanation regarding > > my lack of interest. > > I'm not interested in your excuses. Just being courteous about my > lack of interest in anything said here. > > > > What is it > > > with this little coven of conspirituality in this so called > spiritual > > > room? This belief thing, and all the different forms that it > takes, > > > causes more grief and disparity in the world than any other > attribute > > > of our species(me included Bill). Well the group could just ban > him > > > or ignore him or whatever other enlightened approach that is > deployed > > > here often enough, and in the name of sanctity for God's sake! > > > .........bob > > REPRISE..................... > > am very touched by how you stand up for this individual as you do here. oh Bob, I spurned him/her ever so gently! it must be that you have nothing to write about and are just practicing here on me. well, makes me proud to be Bob's Clay Pigeon and it seems you *do need* the practice as you still haven't hit me yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > On 5/9/06, roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5/9/06, prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend; > > > > > > > > > > > > Your explanation need to be analysed with lit bit > > understanding > > > > of various concepts related to unimaginable God; > > > > > > > > > > > > The existence of the unimaginable God is not accepted > > because > > > > it is beyond experience. Therefore, a philosopher has to stop > > with > > > > the soul, which is a part of the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness > > > > called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakriti. God associated with Mula > > Maya > > > > is called Parabrahman. The Mula Maya acts as the medium for us to > > > > receive God. If the Mula Maya is also absent, then God cannot be > > > > received by us and He becomes completely unimaginable. The Mula > > Maya > > > > is charged by God like the wire by electricity. Therefore, you > > can > > > > treat the Mula Maya or the Infinite Ocean of pure awareness as > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, such Mula Maya is the first incarnation of God, > > which > > > > alone can be grasped by our intelligence or can be experienced by > > > > us. In such divine Mula Maya, which can be called as almost God > > or > > > > Parabrahman, the will of creation arose. Such will is in the > > form of > > > > Knowledge, action and decision. Therefore, such will is called as > > > > Maya, which consists of the three qualities Sattvam, Rajas and > > Tamas > > > > respectively. Such Maya is also charged by Parabrahman and is > > called > > > > as Ishwara. The original Mula Maya charged by God was called as > > > > Brahman. Thus, Maya is in the form of will alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > This entire Maya is not materialized further in the view of > > God > > > > to become the Universe. In the view of God, it remains as His > > will > > > > alone. The materialized world is the modification of just a drop > > of > > > > the ocean of Mula Maya thrown out as an object for the > > entertainment > > > > of God. In the view of God even this materialized world is almost > > > > like the imaginary world, being a tiny particle of the Infinite > > Ocean > > > > of Mula Maya. The human being is a part of this materialized > > world, > > > > which is only the imaginary world in the view of God. Thus, this > > > > materialized world (Prakriti) also can be called as Maya (Mayamtu > > > > Prakritim—Gita) in the view of God. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the view of the human being the gross bodies made of > > five > > > > elements in this universe appear as materialized forms > > > > simultaneously. The human being is actually a part of this > > > > materialized Universe. The soul in the human being is a part of > > Mula > > > > Maya in its original (unmaterialized) form. Similarly, the subtle > > > > body or Jeeva is a part of Maya. The gross body, which is in > > > > materialized form for the individual, is still an imaginary form > > in > > > > the view of God. Thus in the view of God there is no difference > > > > between the subtle body and the gross body as far as the point of > > > > imagination is concerned. This means though the gross body is > > made > > > > of five elements and the subtle body is made of the three > > qualities, > > > > both these bodies are only imaginations in the view of God. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the Lotus Feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > > > www.Universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conceptual frameworks such as outlined here don't interest me. > > > > > sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Bill, this IS addressed to you. > > > > Why on earth or heaven do you think this gentleman is trying to > > gain > > > > YOUR or MY or anyone in particular's attention? I'm sure he could > > > > care less on any individualistic level whether I or you or anyone > > > > took up the case as our own. He's expressing his beliefs as far > > as I > > > > can see and he probably doesn't have much interest in postings of > > > > mine, or yours either for that matter, regarding our beliefs.He > > > > endures them though. I've never seen a malevolent posting from > > him. > > > > So what IS the problem? Why try to cast out his thoughts? > > > > > > > > > my how you construe, Bob... > > > > > > Bill, I construe nothing. You said you had no interest in his words > > or conceptual framework(same, same) > > > > > > > no need to cast out what never " went in " ... > > > > What the Hell Bill... it DID " go in " .....it was here, it still IS > > here and your not caring for it means twiddley twat. > > > > > > > since the posting seemed to be directed to me it seemed > > > only courteous to reply with a brief explanation regarding > > > my lack of interest. > > > > I'm not interested in your excuses. Just being courteous about my > > lack of interest in anything said here. > > > > > > What is it > > > > with this little coven of conspirituality in this so called > > spiritual > > > > room? This belief thing, and all the different forms that it > > takes, > > > > causes more grief and disparity in the world than any other > > attribute > > > > of our species(me included Bill). Well the group could just ban > > him > > > > or ignore him or whatever other enlightened approach that is > > deployed > > > > here often enough, and in the name of sanctity for God's sake! > > > > .........bob > > > > REPRISE..................... > > > > > am very touched by how you stand up for this individual > as you do here. > > oh Bob, I spurned him/her ever so gently! > > it must be that you have nothing to write about > and are just practicing here on me. > > well, makes me proud to be Bob's Clay Pigeon > > and it seems you *do need* the practice > as you still haven't hit me yet! Golly Gee Bill...I was sure I heard you squawk when hit awhile back. But I'm touched by your stalwartness. .............dead-eye bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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