Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 < But that there is a " world out there " is due to < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct. < Bill My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being made up by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it. For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there " relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which appears to validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in terms of itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily image. The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would appreciate some clarity. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > < But that there is a " world out there " is due to > < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience > < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid > < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct. > > < Bill > > My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out > there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When > I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I > experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being made up > by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it. > > For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face > the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience > is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there " > relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand > relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back > of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which appears to > validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world > appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So > it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical > make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in terms of > itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their > constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each > constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily > image. > > The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or > assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would > appreciate some clarity. > > Michael > The 'you' and the 'world' that it knows......are the same. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > < But that there is a " world out there " is due to > > < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience > > < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid > > < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct. > > > > < Bill > > > > My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out > > there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When > > I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I > > experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being > made up > > by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it. > > > > For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face > > the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience > > is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there " > > relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand > > relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back > > of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which > appears to > > validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world > > appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So > > it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical > > make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in > terms of > > itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their > > constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each > > constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily > > image. > > > > The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or > > assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would > > appreciate some clarity. > > > > Michael > The 'you' and the 'world' that it knows......are the same. > > > > toombaru Buddha's therapist said much the same thing. ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > < But that there is a " world out there " is due to > < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience > < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid > < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct. > > < Bill > > My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out > there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When > I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I > experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being made up > by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it. > > For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face > the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience > is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there " > relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand > relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back > of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which appears to > validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world > appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So > it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical > make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in terms of > itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their > constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each > constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily > image. > > The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or > assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would > appreciate some clarity. > > Michael The tooth can't bite itself. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 --- dan330033 <dan330033 a écrit : Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > < But that there is a " world out there " is due to > < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience > < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid > < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct. > > < Bill > > My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out > there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When > I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I > experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being made up > by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it. > > For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face > the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience > is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there " > relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand > relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back > of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which appears to > validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world > appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So > it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical > make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in terms of > itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their > constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each > constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily > image. > > The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or > assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would > appreciate some clarity. > > Michael The tooth can't bite itself. -- D. reading your post Michael, I wonder : if there a world anywhere? ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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