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< But that there is a " world out there " is due to

< preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience

< of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid

< schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct.

 

< Bill

 

My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out

there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When

I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I

experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being made up

by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it.

 

For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face

the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience

is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there "

relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand

relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back

of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which appears to

validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world

appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So

it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical

make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in terms of

itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their

constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each

constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily

image.

 

The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or

assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would

appreciate some clarity.

 

Michael

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Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote:

>

>

>

>

> < But that there is a " world out there " is due to

> < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience

> < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid

> < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct.

>

> < Bill

>

> My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out

> there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When

> I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I

> experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being

made up

> by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it.

>

> For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face

> the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience

> is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there "

> relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand

> relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back

> of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which

appears to

> validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world

> appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So

> it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical

> make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in

terms of

> itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their

> constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each

> constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily

> image.

>

> The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or

> assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would

> appreciate some clarity.

>

> Michael

>

 

 

 

 

 

The 'you' and the 'world' that it knows......are the same.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > < But that there is a " world out there " is due to

> > < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience

> > < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid

> > < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct.

> >

> > < Bill

> >

> > My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world

out

> > there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly

is. When

> > I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I

> > experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being

> made up

> > by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to

it.

> >

> > For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to

face

> > the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My

experience

> > is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out

there "

> > relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my

hand

> > relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the

back

> > of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which

> appears to

> > validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the

world

> > appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes

clear. So

> > it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my

psychophysical

> > make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in

> terms of

> > itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of

their

> > constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so

on...each

> > constructing a house of images and sensations which form the

bodily

> > image.

> >

> > The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing

or

> > assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would

> > appreciate some clarity.

> >

> > Michael

> The 'you' and the 'world' that it knows......are the same.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

Buddha's therapist said much the same thing.

 

 

......bob

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Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote:

>

>

>

>

> < But that there is a " world out there " is due to

> < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct experience

> < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the paranoid

> < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct.

>

> < Bill

>

> My current view is that I really don't know if there is a " world out

> there " even though I go through daily living as if there truly is. When

> I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that the world I

> experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the sense of being

made up

> by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and reactions to it.

>

> For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold your hand up to face

> the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm palm*. " My experience

> is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a world " out there "

> relative to this body because if I were to change the angle of my hand

> relative to the sun, a different sensation would arise (e.g., the back

> of my hand would become warm, etc). Another experience which

appears to

> validate this is when I take out my contact lens. Suddenly the world

> appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world becomes clear. So

> it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of my psychophysical

> make up and this psychophysical make up in turn knows itself in

terms of

> itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body in terms of their

> constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch, and so on...each

> constructing a house of images and sensations which form the bodily

> image.

>

> The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is, am I missing or

> assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc. Sure would

> appreciate some clarity.

>

> Michael

 

 

The tooth can't bite itself.

 

-- D.

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--- dan330033 <dan330033 a écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Adamson "

<adamson wrote:

>

>

>

>

> < But that there is a " world out there " is due to

> < preoccupation by thought. There is no direct

experience

> < of " the world out there " . Like the " them " of the

paranoid

> < schizophrenic, it is not actual, but a construct.

>

> < Bill

>

> My current view is that I really don't know if there

is a " world out

> there " even though I go through daily living as if

there truly is. When

> I pause to consider this matter, it seems to me that

the world I

> experience is indeed entirely " subjective " in the

sense of being

made up

> by my (this) body's sensory and mental responses and

reactions to it.

>

> For example, Alan Watts posed the question, " Hold

your hand up to face

> the sun. Do you experience the *sun* or a *warm

palm*. " My experience

> is " warm palm " so it seems to me that there is a

world " out there "

> relative to this body because if I were to change

the angle of my hand

> relative to the sun, a different sensation would

arise (e.g., the back

> of my hand would become warm, etc). Another

experience which

appears to

> validate this is when I take out my contact lens.

Suddenly the world

> appears very fuzzy. Put them in again and the world

becomes clear. So

> it seems to me that I " know " the world in terms of

my psychophysical

> make up and this psychophysical make up in turn

knows itself in

terms of

> itself as well. The " eyes " know/interpret the body

in terms of their

> constitution, the 'hand " knows the body via touch,

and so on...each

> constructing a house of images and sensations which

form the bodily

> image.

>

> The bottom line is, I'm confused so my question is,

am I missing or

> assuming something here? Is it erroneous logic, etc.

Sure would

> appreciate some clarity.

>

> Michael

 

 

The tooth can't bite itself.

 

-- D.

 

reading your post Michael, I wonder :

if there a world anywhere?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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