Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Pere: > A thought is to thinking, like this phrase, > appearing in your screen, is to the > software that created it. A thought is > just as symbolic and dead, while thinking > is alive, an unseen magic, always brewed > in the dark. It happens away from the > preying eyes of awareness and knowing. How can a living thinking process produce a dead thought? A human can make a pole with a stop sign on it which is not alive. But a thought is not dead. It may not exist in the same dimension as thinking itself, and may be like an image flickering on a movie screen, but not dead. > > Before you label thinking as ineffectual as > a puff of smoke, remember you are, right now, > using a computer, which uses electricity, and > requires a very complex technological civilization, > created by that very thinking process. If thinking > were ineffectual you would be reading smoke > signals from the next hill, instead. L.E: Not a good example. It thinking were ineffectual there would be no smoke signals on the next hill. Smoke signals are quite different from anything a rock can do. > > But when thinking about myself, thinking, is > indeed ineffectual because myself is just > thoughts, and memories flashing by, and > thinking has no power to illuminate its own > dark machinations, just as we can't see > photons using light. > > Pete L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first expression of thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I can't think about the thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only after I have expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last thought. It is the serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time passing, instead of not existing at all, as is the case. Larry Epston > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first expression of > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I can't think about the > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only after I have > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last thought. It is the > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time passing, instead of not > existing at all, as is the case. > > Larry Epston Yes. Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous thought. " Memory processes always appear " now. " Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being reflected upon as an image. The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 On 5/13/06, dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first > expression of > > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I can't think > about the > > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only after I have > > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last > thought. It is the > > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time passing, > instead of not > > existing at all, as is the case. > > > > Larry Epston > > Yes. > > Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. > > Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous thought. " > > Memory processes always appear " now. " > > Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being reflected > upon as an image. > > The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. > > -- D. > > >>Memory processes always appear " now. " Not when there is real attention. There is a sparkle, an aliveness to " now " , a condition that memory processes never satisfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn wrote: > > On 5/13/06, dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first > > expression of > > > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I can't think > > about the > > > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only after I have > > > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last > > thought. It is the > > > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time passing, > > instead of not > > > existing at all, as is the case. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > Yes. > > > > Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. > > > > Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous thought. " > > > > Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being reflected > > upon as an image. > > > > The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > >>Memory processes always appear " now. " > > Not when there is real attention. > There is a sparkle, an aliveness to " now " , > a condition that memory processes never satisfy. Apparently, you believe there is some time outside of now, when a memory process can be appearing. I assure you, that's not a direct observation, not what direct awareness shows. - D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/06, dan330033 <dan330033@> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first > > > expression of > > > > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I can't > think > > > about the > > > > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only > after I have > > > > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last > > > thought. It is the > > > > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time > passing, > > > instead of not > > > > existing at all, as is the case. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. > > > > > > Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous thought. " > > > > > > Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being > reflected > > > upon as an image. > > > > > > The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > >>Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > Not when there is real attention. > > There is a sparkle, an aliveness to " now " , > > a condition that memory processes never satisfy. > > Apparently, you believe there is some time outside of now, when a > memory process can be appearing. I assure you, that's not a direct > observation, not what direct awareness shows. > > - D. > Apparently you believe that there is an entity outside of its beliefs that you are attempting to edify. I assure you that's not a direct observation, not what direct obseravtion shows. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > On 5/13/06, dan330033 <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first > > > > expression of > > > > > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I can't > > think > > > > about the > > > > > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only > > after I have > > > > > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last > > > > thought. It is the > > > > > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time > > passing, > > > > instead of not > > > > > existing at all, as is the case. > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. > > > > > > > > Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous thought. " > > > > > > > > Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > > > Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being > > reflected > > > > upon as an image. > > > > > > > > The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > Not when there is real attention. > > > There is a sparkle, an aliveness to " now " , > > > a condition that memory processes never satisfy. > > > > Apparently, you believe there is some time outside of now, when a > > memory process can be appearing. I assure you, that's not a direct > > observation, not what direct awareness shows. > > > > - D. > > > > > Apparently you believe that there is an entity outside of its beliefs > that you are attempting to edify. I assure you that's not a direct > observation, not what direct obseravtion shows. > > > > toombaru No, I don't believe that. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5/13/06, dan330033 <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first > > > > > expression of > > > > > > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I > can't > > > think > > > > > about the > > > > > > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only > > > after I have > > > > > > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last > > > > > thought. It is the > > > > > > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time > > > passing, > > > > > instead of not > > > > > > existing at all, as is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous > thought. " > > > > > > > > > > Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > > > > > Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being > > > reflected > > > > > upon as an image. > > > > > > > > > > The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > > > Not when there is real attention. > > > > There is a sparkle, an aliveness to " now " , > > > > a condition that memory processes never satisfy. > > > > > > Apparently, you believe there is some time outside of now, when a > > > memory process can be appearing. I assure you, that's not a > direct > > > observation, not what direct awareness shows. > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > Apparently you believe that there is an entity outside of its > beliefs > > that you are attempting to edify. I assure you that's not a direct > > observation, not what direct obseravtion shows. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > No, I don't believe that. > > D. > To whom are you responding? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 5/13/06, dan330033 <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I can only think about thinking after I stop the first > > > > > > expression of > > > > > > > thinking. Thinking is serial. One thought at a time. I > > can't > > > > think > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > thought I am thinking at the moment I am thinking it, only > > > > after I have > > > > > > > expressed a particual thoght that I can think about the last > > > > > > thought. It is the > > > > > > > serial aspect of thought that produces the illusion of time > > > > passing, > > > > > > instead of not > > > > > > > existing at all, as is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought never really has an object - hence no subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing rubs up against thought - not even a " previous > > thought. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Time is the illusory presence of what was in what is, being > > > > reflected > > > > > > upon as an image. > > > > > > > > > > > > The image always being now, the illusion of time is exposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Memory processes always appear " now. " > > > > > > > > > > Not when there is real attention. > > > > > There is a sparkle, an aliveness to " now " , > > > > > a condition that memory processes never satisfy. > > > > > > > > Apparently, you believe there is some time outside of now, when a > > > > memory process can be appearing. I assure you, that's not a > > direct > > > > observation, not what direct awareness shows. > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently you believe that there is an entity outside of its > > beliefs > > > that you are attempting to edify. I assure you that's not a direct > > > observation, not what direct obseravtion shows. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > No, I don't believe that. > > > > D. > > > > > To whom are you responding? > > > toombaru Bobby Fisher. - D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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