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L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and some times we

learn about ourselves from others.

Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of separation

disappears.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

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> L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and some

times we

> learn about ourselves from others.

> Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

separation

> disappears.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

 

there is nothing but Self

 

Marc

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On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:

> Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

> >

> > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and some

> times we

> > learn about ourselves from others.

> > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> separation

> > disappears.

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

>

> there is nothing but Self

>

> Marc

>

 

are you correcting what Larry said,

expanding on what Larry said,

or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

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Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn

wrote:

>

> On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and

some

> > times we

> > > learn about ourselves from others.

> > > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> > separation

> > > disappears.

> > >

> > > Larry Epston

> > >

> > >

> > there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

> >

> > there is nothing but Self

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> are you correcting what Larry said,

> expanding on what Larry said,

> or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

 

 

nothing has ever been said, by no one or anyone or even 'THE ONE'.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and

> some

> > > times we

> > > > learn about ourselves from others.

> > > > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> > > separation

> > > > disappears.

> > > >

> > > > Larry Epston

> > > >

> > > >

> > > there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

> > >

> > > there is nothing but Self

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > are you correcting what Larry said,

> > expanding on what Larry said,

> > or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

>

>

> nothing has ever been said, by no one or anyone or even 'THE ONE'.

>

 

I am interested in Marc's response to my questions

nevertheless.

 

As for what you have said, Bob, I wonder why you would

say that. Because it is, quite simply, " the way it is " ?

 

What you say there seems exclusive, to me, not inclusive.

Do you see what I mean?

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves,

and

> > some

> > > > times we

> > > > > learn about ourselves from others.

> > > > > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> > > > separation

> > > > > disappears.

> > > > >

> > > > > Larry Epston

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

> > > >

> > > > there is nothing but Self

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > > are you correcting what Larry said,

> > > expanding on what Larry said,

> > > or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

> >

> >

> > nothing has ever been said, by no one or anyone or even 'THE ONE'.

> >

>

> I am interested in Marc's response to my questions

> nevertheless.

>

> As for what you have said, Bob, I wonder why you would

> say that. Because it is, quite simply, " the way it is " ?

>

> What you say there seems exclusive, to me, not inclusive.

> Do you see what I mean?

>

> Bill

 

 

It's just a 'zenny' thing to say. It's actually meant to be All

inclusive in that all 'things' that we can speak( including that

statement), and our 'selves', are in 'reality'(whatever that is),

without substance. Even our idea of the 'One " is just that....an

idea. I do see what you mean, and again it's the 'words' that get in

the way I guess. I really don't know what that Substance IS, in it's

own nature(for lack of a better term), or even WHY. And these too may

just be meaningless terms. I don't know. As you have said,using

different words and expressional formats, whatever Ground Zero is

about, until we are there, we don't know. And Bill, honestly, I have

had several and sundry " moments of Awakeness' but I really can't put

those into word formulations even for my self(whatever THAT is). I'm

not kidding when I say that I don't know what I'm saying. I don't.

But it's the 'Truth' for me as close as I can get to it using the

tools we have. I guess like your poetry, the actual 'meaning' lays

somewhere outside of the words employed and can only be intuited at

best. Hope this makes somewhat clearer what was meant as a statement

of the Ineffable, most certainly not meant as exclusive in any sense

of the word. And please don't take this or the earlier post as

correctives. They are not meant to be. They are meant more to be

additives than detractors. I may disagree at times with some

statements, but I am here(the list and the world in general), to

learn, contribute, hopefully to communicate and share and that's it.

Sometimes as you know, it can get heated. And sometimes I can sink to

levels of depression and anger that are good for no one. But as much

as possible, when I sense that coming now, I try to depart from

comment. Best I can do. Best I can answer.

 

.....bob

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Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn

wrote:

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> On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and

some

> > times we

> > > learn about ourselves from others.

> > > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> > separation

> > > disappears.

> > >

> > > Larry Epston

> > >

> > >

> > there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

> >

> > there is nothing but Self

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> are you correcting what Larry said,

> expanding on what Larry said,

> or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

 

 

it's about same what Larry said....only in little different way

 

" whoever " appear to say something.....the one " who " listen to

him/herSelf so.....is learning......

there could be learning even from a flower....a tree.....a

mountain.....a fish.....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and

> some

> > > times we

> > > > learn about ourselves from others.

> > > > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> > > separation

> > > > disappears.

> > > >

> > > > Larry Epston

> > > >

> > > >

> > > there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

> > >

> > > there is nothing but Self

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > are you correcting what Larry said,

> > expanding on what Larry said,

> > or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

>

>

> nothing has ever been said, by no one or anyone or even 'THE ONE'.

 

yes....:)

 

in awareness of the dream....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > On 5/15/06, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > L.E: Some times we learn about ourselves from ourselves, and

> some

> > > times we

> > > > learn about ourselves from others.

> > > > Eventually, we learn there are no others, and the problem of

> > > separation

> > > > disappears.

> > > >

> > > > Larry Epston

> > > >

> > > >

> > > there is only learning about/from our-Self.....

> > >

> > > there is nothing but Self

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > are you correcting what Larry said,

> > expanding on what Larry said,

> > or just saying what Larry said in a different way?

>

>

> it's about same what Larry said....only in little different way

>

> " whoever " appear to say something.....the one " who " listen to

> him/herSelf so.....is learning......

> there could be learning even from a flower....a tree.....a

> mountain.....a fish.....

>

> Marc

>

 

and how much clearer

this you now speak!

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