Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 L.E: Stories or parables are always an exercise in limited vision. You have to accept the story as given or the point cannot be made. For instance, what if the old archer had fallen off the log and tumbled to his death into the gorge? And the the young archer said, " ego maniac! " What if the young archer had also stepped out on the log and shot the tree. Now what? Does the old man say, " I see we are equals in capacity and let's be best of friends. " The story is always contrived to make a pre-determined point. There is always another story to make another pre-determined point. Beware of stories. You are being manipulated. Larry Epston > After winning several archery contests, the young and rather boastful > >champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill as an > >archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical proficiency > >when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split > >that arrow with > >his second shot. " There, " he said to the old man, " see if you can > >match that! " > >Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather motioned for > >the > >young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old > >fellow's > >intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain until > >they > >reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. Calmly > >stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly perilous > >bridge, > >the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, and > >fired a > >clean, direct hit. " Now it is your turn, " he said as he gracefully > >stepped back > >onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly > >bottomless and > >beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step out > >onto the > >log, no less shoot at a target. " You have much skill with your bow, " > >the > >master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, " but you have > >little skill > >with the mind that lets loose the shot. " > > > > .......an old tale > > > > .....bob > > > > Ha! > > A parable for our little list here! > > Let them who have ears hear! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 L. E: Christianity, Judiasm, Islam and most of the others are all based on stories. BEWARE! > > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >L.E: Stories or parables are always an exercise in limited vision. > You have > >to accept the story as given or the point cannot be made. > >For instance, what if the old archer had fallen off the log and > tumbled to > >his death into the gorge? And the the young archer said, " ego > maniac! " > >What if the young archer had also stepped out on the log and shot > the tree. > >Now what? Does the old man say, " I see we are equals in capacity > and let's be > >best of friends. " > >The story is always contrived to make a pre-determined point. > There is > >always another story to make another pre-determined point. > >Beware of stories. You are being manipulated. > > > >Larry Epston > > > Well yes and of course Larry. You have just stated the obvious and > what is known by everyone. It's conspicuous that that's the point and > limit of any and all stories, and anything at all that's written, > said or done. All 'things' are of a limited nature. But 'Beware'? > C'mon. What about your little story here? Are we to beware your > words? And what if they didn't say what they did, but said something > else? what then? Beware some more because now it's a different story? > I'm not trying to be supercilious, I just don't understand any reason > at all for your comment here. Although of late more and more of what > you are writing is making more and more sense of sorts to me, this > here doesn't ring my chimes at all. This is because I don't get your > point in pointing out the obvious.Mayhaps that's a 'limitation' of > vision on my part...but methinks not. > ...........bob > > > >>After winning several archery contests, the young and rather > boastful > >>>champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill > as an > >>>archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical > proficiency > >>>when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split > >>>that arrow with > >>>his second shot. " There, " he said to the old man, " see if you can > >>>match that! " > >>>Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather > motioned for > >>>the > >>>young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old > >>>fellow's > >>>intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain > until > >>>they > >>>reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. > Calmly > >>>stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly > perilous > >>>bridge, > >>>the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, > and > >>>fired a > >>>clean, direct hit. " Now it is your turn, " he said as he > gracefully > >>>stepped back > >>>onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly > >>>bottomless and > >>>beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step > out > >>>onto the > >>>log, no less shoot at a target. " You have much skill with your > bow, " > >>>the > >>>master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, " but you have > >>>little skill > >>>with the mind that lets loose the shot. " > >>> > >>> .......an old tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > L.E: Stories or parables are always an exercise in limited vision. You have > to accept the story as given or the point cannot be made. > For instance, what if the old archer had fallen off the log and tumbled to > his death into the gorge? And the the young archer said, " ego maniac! " > What if the young archer had also stepped out on the log and shot the tree. > Now what? Does the old man say, " I see we are equals in capacity and let's be > best of friends. " > The story is always contrived to make a pre-determined point. There is > always another story to make another pre-determined point. > Beware of stories. You are being manipulated. > > Larry Epston Well yes and of course Larry. You have just stated the obvious and what is known by everyone. It's conspicuous that that's the point and limit of any and all stories, and anything at all that's written, said or done. All 'things' are of a limited nature. But 'Beware'? C'mon. What about your little story here? Are we to beware your words? And what if they didn't say what they did, but said something else? what then? Beware some more because now it's a different story? I'm not trying to be supercilious, I just don't understand any reason at all for your comment here. Although of late more and more of what you are writing is making more and more sense of sorts to me, this here doesn't ring my chimes at all. This is because I don't get your point in pointing out the obvious.Mayhaps that's a 'limitation' of vision on my part...but methinks not. ...........bob > > After winning several archery contests, the young and rather boastful > > >champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill as an > > >archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical proficiency > > >when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split > > >that arrow with > > >his second shot. " There, " he said to the old man, " see if you can > > >match that! " > > >Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather motioned for > > >the > > >young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old > > >fellow's > > >intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain until > > >they > > >reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. Calmly > > >stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly perilous > > >bridge, > > >the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, and > > >fired a > > >clean, direct hit. " Now it is your turn, " he said as he gracefully > > >stepped back > > >onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly > > >bottomless and > > >beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step out > > >onto the > > >log, no less shoot at a target. " You have much skill with your bow, " > > >the > > >master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, " but you have > > >little skill > > >with the mind that lets loose the shot. " > > > > > > .......an old tale > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > Ha! > > > > A parable for our little list here! > > > > Let them who have ears hear! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > L. E: Christianity, Judiasm, Islam and most of the others are all based on > stories. BEWARE! EVERYTHING is based on stories. If you are Aware..no need to Beware. Dig? .......bob > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >L.E: Stories or parables are always an exercise in limited vision. > > You have > > >to accept the story as given or the point cannot be made. > > >For instance, what if the old archer had fallen off the log and > > tumbled to > > >his death into the gorge? And the the young archer said, " ego > > maniac! " > > >What if the young archer had also stepped out on the log and shot > > the tree. > > >Now what? Does the old man say, " I see we are equals in capacity > > and let's be > > >best of friends. " > > >The story is always contrived to make a pre-determined point. > > There is > > >always another story to make another pre-determined point. > > >Beware of stories. You are being manipulated. > > > > > >Larry Epston > > > > > > Well yes and of course Larry. You have just stated the obvious and > > what is known by everyone. It's conspicuous that that's the point and > > limit of any and all stories, and anything at all that's written, > > said or done. All 'things' are of a limited nature. But 'Beware'? > > C'mon. What about your little story here? Are we to beware your > > words? And what if they didn't say what they did, but said something > > else? what then? Beware some more because now it's a different story? > > I'm not trying to be supercilious, I just don't understand any reason > > at all for your comment here. Although of late more and more of what > > you are writing is making more and more sense of sorts to me, this > > here doesn't ring my chimes at all. This is because I don't get your > > point in pointing out the obvious.Mayhaps that's a 'limitation' of > > vision on my part...but methinks not. > > ...........bob > > > > > > >>After winning several archery contests, the young and rather > > boastful > > >>>champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill > > as an > > >>>archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical > > proficiency > > >>>when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split > > >>>that arrow with > > >>>his second shot. " There, " he said to the old man, " see if you can > > >>>match that! " > > >>>Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather > > motioned for > > >>>the > > >>>young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old > > >>>fellow's > > >>>intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain > > until > > >>>they > > >>>reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. > > Calmly > > >>>stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly > > perilous > > >>>bridge, > > >>>the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, > > and > > >>>fired a > > >>>clean, direct hit. " Now it is your turn, " he said as he > > gracefully > > >>>stepped back > > >>>onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly > > >>>bottomless and > > >>>beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step > > out > > >>>onto the > > >>>log, no less shoot at a target. " You have much skill with your > > bow, " > > >>>the > > >>>master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, " but you have > > >>>little skill > > >>>with the mind that lets loose the shot. " > > >>> > > >>> .......an old tale > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > L.E: Stories or parables are always an exercise in limited vision. > You have > > to accept the story as given or the point cannot be made. > > For instance, what if the old archer had fallen off the log and > tumbled to > > his death into the gorge? And the the young archer said, " ego > maniac! " > > What if the young archer had also stepped out on the log and shot > the tree. > > Now what? Does the old man say, " I see we are equals in capacity > and let's be > > best of friends. " > > The story is always contrived to make a pre-determined point. > There is > > always another story to make another pre-determined point. > > Beware of stories. You are being manipulated. > > > > Larry Epston > > > Well yes and of course Larry. You have just stated the obvious and > what is known by everyone. It's conspicuous that that's the point and > limit of any and all stories, and anything at all that's written, > said or done. All 'things' are of a limited nature. But 'Beware'? > C'mon. What about your little story here? Are we to beware your > words? And what if they didn't say what they did, but said something > else? what then? Beware some more because now it's a different story? > I'm not trying to be supercilious, I just don't understand any reason > at all for your comment here. Although of late more and more of what > you are writing is making more and more sense of sorts to me, this > here doesn't ring my chimes at all. This is because I don't get your > point in pointing out the obvious.Mayhaps that's a 'limitation' of > vision on my part...but methinks not. > ...........bob ** Maybe he means 'discernment'? I used to scoff when Zen was termed 'mind-body training'-- but a case could be made.... > > > > > After winning several archery contests, the young and rather > boastful > > > >champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill > as an > > > >archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical > proficiency > > > >when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split > > > >that arrow with > > > >his second shot. " There, " he said to the old man, " see if you can > > > >match that! " > > > >Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather > motioned for > > > >the > > > >young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old > > > >fellow's > > > >intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain > until > > > >they > > > >reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. > Calmly > > > >stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly > perilous > > > >bridge, > > > >the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, > and > > > >fired a > > > >clean, direct hit. " Now it is your turn, " he said as he > gracefully > > > >stepped back > > > >onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly > > > >bottomless and > > > >beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step > out > > > >onto the > > > >log, no less shoot at a target. " You have much skill with your > bow, " > > > >the > > > >master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, " but you have > > > >little skill > > > >with the mind that lets loose the shot. " > > > > > > > > .......an old tale > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > Ha! > > > > > > A parable for our little list here! > > > > > > Let them who have ears hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > L.E: Stories or parables are always an exercise in limited vision. > > You have > > > to accept the story as given or the point cannot be made. > > > For instance, what if the old archer had fallen off the log and > > tumbled to > > > his death into the gorge? And the the young archer said, " ego > > maniac! " > > > What if the young archer had also stepped out on the log and shot > > the tree. > > > Now what? Does the old man say, " I see we are equals in capacity > > and let's be > > > best of friends. " > > > The story is always contrived to make a pre-determined point. > > There is > > > always another story to make another pre-determined point. > > > Beware of stories. You are being manipulated. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > Well yes and of course Larry. You have just stated the obvious and > > what is known by everyone. It's conspicuous that that's the point and > > limit of any and all stories, and anything at all that's written, > > said or done. All 'things' are of a limited nature. But 'Beware'? > > C'mon. What about your little story here? Are we to beware your > > words? And what if they didn't say what they did, but said something > > else? what then? Beware some more because now it's a different story? > > I'm not trying to be supercilious, I just don't understand any reason > > at all for your comment here. Although of late more and more of what > > you are writing is making more and more sense of sorts to me, this > > here doesn't ring my chimes at all. This is because I don't get your > > point in pointing out the obvious.Mayhaps that's a 'limitation' of > > vision on my part...but methinks not. > > ...........bob > > ** Maybe he means 'discernment'? > > I used to scoff when Zen was termed 'mind-body training'-- > but a case could be made.... softening softening softening iron-clad things falling away who's right? who's wrong? ancient memories best forgotten [thank you for your softening touch Ken] > > > > > > After winning several archery contests, the young and rather > > boastful > > > > >champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill > > as an > > > > >archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical > > proficiency > > > > >when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split > > > > >that arrow with > > > > >his second shot. " There, " he said to the old man, " see if you can > > > > >match that! " > > > > >Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather > > motioned for > > > > >the > > > > >young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old > > > > >fellow's > > > > >intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain > > until > > > > >they > > > > >reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. > > Calmly > > > > >stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly > > perilous > > > > >bridge, > > > > >the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, > > and > > > > >fired a > > > > >clean, direct hit. " Now it is your turn, " he said as he > > gracefully > > > > >stepped back > > > > >onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly > > > > >bottomless and > > > > >beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step > > out > > > > >onto the > > > > >log, no less shoot at a target. " You have much skill with your > > bow, " > > > > >the > > > > >master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, " but you have > > > > >little skill > > > > >with the mind that lets loose the shot. " > > > > > > > > > > .......an old tale > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha! > > > > > > > > A parable for our little list here! > > > > > > > > Let them who have ears hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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