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The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the

dots.

 

It looks up at clouds and sees animals.

 

It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and

dippers.

 

It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding

its imagined future.

 

These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that

over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely

obscured.

 

An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity

at its center.

 

A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny

thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only

returning back into the Ocean.

 

 

What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition

you ask.

 

Absolutely nothing.

 

 

Is it able to see its illusory condition?

 

No...It cannot.

 

 

There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that

evaporates all questions.

 

 

 

Can you grasp it.......No.

 

 

If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more.

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> The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the

> dots.

 

is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

 

 

> It looks up at clouds and sees animals.

>

> It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and

> dippers.

>

> It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding

> its imagined future.

>

> These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that

> over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely

> obscured.

>

> An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity

> at its center.

>

> A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny

> thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only

> returning back into the Ocean.

>

>

> What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition

> you ask.

>

> Absolutely nothing.

>

>

> Is it able to see its illusory condition?

>

> No...It cannot.

>

>

> There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that

> evaporates all questions.

>

>

>

> Can you grasp it.......No.

>

>

> If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more.

>

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote:

>

>

> >

> > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the

> > dots.

>

> is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

 

 

 

 

 

There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

 

This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

 

From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures

the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

frightening separation.

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> > It looks up at clouds and sees animals.

> >

> > It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and

> > dippers.

> >

> > It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding

> > its imagined future.

> >

> > These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that

> > over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely

> > obscured.

> >

> > An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity

> > at its center.

> >

> > A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny

> > thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only

> > returning back into the Ocean.

> >

> >

> > What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition

> > you ask.

> >

> > Absolutely nothing.

> >

> >

> > Is it able to see its illusory condition?

> >

> > No...It cannot.

> >

> >

> > There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that

> > evaporates all questions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Can you grasp it.......No.

> >

> >

> > If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more.

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

connect the

> > > dots.

> >

> > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

 

>

> There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

>

> This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

> dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

>

> From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures

> the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> frightening separation.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

you know so

or imagine so?

 

have you observed this directly

or inferred it from observing yourself and others?

 

if the latter

then I suggest that you do not know so

but imagine so

 

yes, there does seem to a prevalent maladay of

human thinking that wraps into local strange

attractors that seal off into a confined state

of non-openness, non-sensitivity...

 

but " the mind of man " as an abstraction for that

seems very limited to me... too specific

 

there are myriad ways to be closed off

 

there is no particular pattern of " mental confusion "

that accounts for the myriad forms of closed-off

thought-systems

 

my view anyhow

 

in a nutshell: I am suggesting that looking at these matters

in terms of dynamic systems rather than in terms of

human psychological models opens up to subtleties of

nuance and variation...

 

for one, the notion of the " human entity " becomes not

so central... there is no need to posit a " someone there " ...

 

so there is no need to posit an " actor " to discuss compulsive

patterns, etc.

 

it is all just " programming " ...

 

even these words typing back and forth across cyberspace...

just programming

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

connect the

> > > dots.

> >

> > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

>

>

>

>

>

> There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

>

> This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

> dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

>

> From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures

> the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> frightening separation.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

The organism entities with brains are responsible

 

for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of

 

frightening separation ...

 

I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard enough!

 

The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of

separate entities.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

> connect the

> > > > dots.

> > >

> > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

> >

> > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

> > dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

> >

> > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures

> > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> > frightening separation.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> The organism entities with brains are responsible

>

> for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of

>

> frightening separation ...

>

> I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard enough!

>

> The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of

> separate entities.

>

> -- D.

>

 

 

 

The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-product

of ... conceptual thought.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

> connect the

> > > > dots.

> > >

> > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

>

> >

> > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

> >

> > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

> > dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

> >

> > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures

> > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> > frightening separation.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> you know so

> or imagine so?

>

> have you observed this directly

> or inferred it from observing yourself and others?

>

> if the latter

> then I suggest that you do not know so

> but imagine so

>

> yes, there does seem to a prevalent maladay of

> human thinking that wraps into local strange

> attractors that seal off into a confined state

> of non-openness, non-sensitivity...

>

> but " the mind of man " as an abstraction for that

> seems very limited to me... too specific

>

> there are myriad ways to be closed off

>

> there is no particular pattern of " mental confusion "

> that accounts for the myriad forms of closed-off

> thought-systems

>

> my view anyhow

>

> in a nutshell: I am suggesting that looking at these matters

> in terms of dynamic systems rather than in terms of

> human psychological models opens up to subtleties of

> nuance and variation...

>

> for one, the notion of the " human entity " becomes not

> so central... there is no need to posit a " someone there " ...

>

> so there is no need to posit an " actor " to discuss compulsive

> patterns, etc.

>

> it is all just " programming " ...

>

> even these words typing back and forth across cyberspace...

> just programming

>

> Bill

>

 

Bill, I see " who we are " as programming also, but isn't that just one

view? If I see the elephant from behind it I see something quite

different that if I see an elephant from in front of it.

 

Stu

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

 

>

> The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-product

> of ... conceptual thought.

>

>

> toombaru

 

Conceptual thought is a byproduct of imagining that a concept can be

held and maintained.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

connect the

> > > dots.

> >

> > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

>

>

>

>

>

> There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

>

> This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

> dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

>

> From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that

obscures

> the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> frightening separation.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

This is outright silly. Things are or they are not. If the 'entity'

is illusory, or 'never was'....than for cryin' in the sink, it can't

posess a 'real' brain that somehow or another 'does' something

called 'mentation'. It is very convenient to interpolate an 'organism

with a brain', when you want to talk like this..but it runs contrary

to almost everything else you say about it all being illusion that

really 'is not' from the first. And even if the 'impossible' were to

manifest somehow, someway.....there would not be anything'uniquely

designed ' about it. It would be what it was, and without any such

possible qualification inhering or obtaining within, or without, or

above, or below it. And what the hell is the 'conceptual

milieu?.....of and by and for whom, does this little animal do it's

tricks? Overlay? Obscure?...What? And if it's

an 'imaginary'overlay.....of course the results would be 'illusory',

whether dreamt or otherwise. That statement is a tautology of the

first order.I'll agree it's frightening. This whole sack of crap is

trying to suck and blow at the same time Toombaru. Mayhaps it should

rest in it's nescience and just quit trying to sound profound with

illogical obfuscations. No? Trying this stuff by connecting unrelated

dots, is even more foolish than the connecting of dots done by the

nonexistent 'mind of.........well thats enough. It all gets to sound

crazy when justifications for nonsense are dancing around the town.

And it creates that little train that we used to call the bunny hop

at the crazy town sockhops. Now no matter what you say........when I

went to my Highschool sockhops, I was always fairly successful

connecting to the Dots..and the Pollys, and the Charlenes, and the

Bettys, and......Ohhhhhhhhhh! the imaginary heartache I feel. ;))

 

..........bob

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > > It looks up at clouds and sees animals.

> > >

> > > It connects the stars with lines and sees

bears......lions.........and

> > > dippers.

> > >

> > > It connects and stores experiential data as reference points

regarding

> > > its imagined future.

> > >

> > > These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry

that

> > > over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost

completely

> > > obscured.

> > >

> > > An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary

entity

> > > at its center.

> > >

> > > A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny

> > > thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and

only

> > > returning back into the Ocean.

> > >

> > >

> > > What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined

condition

> > > you ask.

> > >

> > > Absolutely nothing.

> > >

> > >

> > > Is it able to see its illusory condition?

> > >

> > > No...It cannot.

> > >

> > >

> > > There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that

> > > evaporates all questions.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can you grasp it.......No.

> > >

> > >

> > > If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more.

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

> > connect the

> > > > > dots.

> > > >

> > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

> > >

> > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to

connect

> > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

> > >

> > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that

obscures

> > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> > > frightening separation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > The organism entities with brains are responsible

> >

> > for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of

> >

> > frightening separation ...

> >

> > I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard

enough!

> >

> > The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of

> > separate entities.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

>

>

>

> The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-

product

> of ... conceptual thought.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

And of course THIS is not a conceptual thought? What do you call it?

of course......the eye of God?.....who isn't.

 

.........bob

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

> connect the

> > > > dots.

> > >

> > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

> >

> > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect

> > dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

> >

> > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that

> obscures

> > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> > frightening separation.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

> This is outright silly. Things are or they are not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like in your dreams at night?

 

Tell me exactly what a mountain is......how far down does it

go.......can you draw a line around a mountain.......What is a river?.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the 'entity'

> is illusory, or 'never was'....than for cryin' in the sink, it can't

> posess a 'real' brain that somehow or another 'does' something

> called 'mentation'.

 

 

 

The 'entity' is a by-product of conceptual mentation (thought).

 

It is a chimera that is born within the swirling mnemonic debris.

 

It is as real as the people in your dreams last night.

 

 

 

It is very convenient to interpolate an 'organism

> with a brain', when you want to talk like this..but it runs contrary

> to almost everything else you say about it all being illusion that

> really 'is not' from the first.

 

 

 

The people in your dream last night were real....or were they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And even if the 'impossible' were to

> manifest somehow, someway.....there would not be anything'uniquely

> designed ' about it. It would be what it was, and without any such

> possible qualification inhering or obtaining within, or without, or

> above, or below it. And what the hell is the 'conceptual

> milieu?.....of and by and for whom, does this little animal do it's

> tricks? Overlay? Obscure?...What? And if it's

> an 'imaginary'overlay.....of course the results would be 'illusory',

> whether dreamt or otherwise. That statement is a tautology of the

> first order.I'll agree it's frightening. This whole sack of crap is

> trying to suck and blow at the same time Toombaru. Mayhaps it should

> rest in it's nescience and just quit trying to sound profound with

> illogical obfuscations.

 

 

 

 

Do you suggest that this toombaru thing has a choice?

 

 

 

 

 

 

No? Trying this stuff by connecting unrelated

> dots, is even more foolish than the connecting of dots done by the

> nonexistent 'mind of.........well thats enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It all gets to sound

> crazy when justifications for nonsense are dancing around the town.

> And it creates that little train that we used to call the bunny hop

> at the crazy town sockhops. Now no matter what you say........when I

> went to my Highschool sockhops, I was always fairly successful

> connecting to the Dots..and the Pollys, and the Charlenes, and the

> Bettys, and......Ohhhhhhhhhh! the imaginary heartache I feel. ;))

>

> ..........bob

> >

> >

 

 

 

The reason that it all sounds quite insane is because.......it is.

 

 

 

 

:-)

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

>

> >

> > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-product

> > of ... conceptual thought.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Conceptual thought is a byproduct of imagining that a concept can be

> held and maintained.

>

> -- D.

>

 

 

.....a breeder-reactor.....

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

> > > connect the

> > > > > > dots.

> > > > >

> > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

> > > >

> > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to

> connect

> > > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

> > > >

> > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that

> obscures

> > > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> > > > frightening separation.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > The organism entities with brains are responsible

> > >

> > > for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of

> > >

> > > frightening separation ...

> > >

> > > I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard

> enough!

> > >

> > > The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of

> > > separate entities.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-

> product

> > of ... conceptual thought.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> And of course THIS is not a conceptual thought? What do you call it?

> of course......the eye of God?.....who isn't.

>

> .........bob

>

 

 

 

Circles within circles....all the way down.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to

> > connect the

> > > > > dots.

> > > >

> > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain.

> > >

> > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to

connect

> > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name.

> > >

> > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that

> > obscures

> > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of

> > > frightening separation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

 

to the first theree answer/questions in you're reply:(1.like in your

dreams.....; 2.what is a mountain, river...drawing lines...; and,

lastly, 3.the people in your dream last...)

 

Ohhhhhhhh Shit! 'nough said.

 

to the last:(The reason that it all sounds quite insane is because...)

 

Noooooooo Shit! also 'nough said

 

;)))))))))))

 

 

............bob

 

 

 

 

(NNB)

> > This is outright silly. Things are or they are not.

>

 

>

> Like in your dreams at night?

>

> Tell me exactly what a mountain is......how far down does it

> go.......can you draw a line around a mountain.......What is a

river?

>

If the 'entity'

> > is illusory, or 'never was'....than for cryin' in the sink, it

can't

> > posess a 'real' brain that somehow or another 'does' something

> > called 'mentation'.

>

>

>

> The 'entity' is a by-product of conceptual mentation (thought).

>

> It is a chimera that is born within the swirling mnemonic debris.

>

> It is as real as the people in your dreams last night.

>

>

>

> It is very convenient to interpolate an 'organism

> > with a brain', when you want to talk like this..but it runs

contrary

> > to almost everything else you say about it all being illusion

that

> > really 'is not' from the first.

>

>

>

> The people in your dream last night were real....or were they?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

And even if the 'impossible' were to

> > manifest somehow, someway.....there would not be

anything'uniquely

> > designed ' about it. It would be what it was, and without any

such

> > possible qualification inhering or obtaining within, or without,

or

> > above, or below it. And what the hell is the 'conceptual

> > milieu?.....of and by and for whom, does this little animal do

it's

> > tricks? Overlay? Obscure?...What? And if it's

> > an 'imaginary'overlay.....of course the results would

be 'illusory',

> > whether dreamt or otherwise. That statement is a tautology of the

> > first order.I'll agree it's frightening. This whole sack of crap

is

> > trying to suck and blow at the same time Toombaru. Mayhaps it

should

> > rest in it's nescience and just quit trying to sound profound

with

> > illogical obfuscations.

>

>

>

>

> Do you suggest that this toombaru thing has a choice?

No? Trying this stuff by connecting unrelated

> > dots, is even more foolish than the connecting of dots done by

the

> > nonexistent 'mind of.........well thats enough.

>

>

>

It all gets to sound

> > crazy when justifications for nonsense are dancing around the

town.

> > And it creates that little train that we used to call the bunny

hop

> > at the crazy town sockhops. Now no matter what you

say........when I

> > went to my Highschool sockhops, I was always fairly successful

> > connecting to the Dots..and the Pollys, and the Charlenes, and

the

> > Bettys, and......Ohhhhhhhhhh! the imaginary heartache I feel. ;))

> >

> > ..........bob

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

> The reason that it all sounds quite insane is because.......it is.

>

>

>

>

> :-)

>

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