Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the dots. It looks up at clouds and sees animals. It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and dippers. It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding its imagined future. These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely obscured. An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity at its center. A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only returning back into the Ocean. What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition you ask. Absolutely nothing. Is it able to see its illusory condition? No...It cannot. There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that evaporates all questions. Can you grasp it.......No. If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the > dots. is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > It looks up at clouds and sees animals. > > It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and > dippers. > > It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding > its imagined future. > > These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that > over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely > obscured. > > An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity > at its center. > > A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny > thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only > returning back into the Ocean. > > > What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition > you ask. > > Absolutely nothing. > > > Is it able to see its illusory condition? > > No...It cannot. > > > There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that > evaporates all questions. > > > > Can you grasp it.......No. > > > If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the > > dots. > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect dots and then give the resulting observation a name. From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of frightening separation. toombaru > > > > It looks up at clouds and sees animals. > > > > It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and > > dippers. > > > > It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding > > its imagined future. > > > > These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that > > over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely > > obscured. > > > > An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity > > at its center. > > > > A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny > > thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only > > returning back into the Ocean. > > > > > > What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition > > you ask. > > > > Absolutely nothing. > > > > > > Is it able to see its illusory condition? > > > > No...It cannot. > > > > > > There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that > > evaporates all questions. > > > > > > > > Can you grasp it.......No. > > > > > > If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the > > > dots. > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > frightening separation. > > > > toombaru you know so or imagine so? have you observed this directly or inferred it from observing yourself and others? if the latter then I suggest that you do not know so but imagine so yes, there does seem to a prevalent maladay of human thinking that wraps into local strange attractors that seal off into a confined state of non-openness, non-sensitivity... but " the mind of man " as an abstraction for that seems very limited to me... too specific there are myriad ways to be closed off there is no particular pattern of " mental confusion " that accounts for the myriad forms of closed-off thought-systems my view anyhow in a nutshell: I am suggesting that looking at these matters in terms of dynamic systems rather than in terms of human psychological models opens up to subtleties of nuance and variation... for one, the notion of the " human entity " becomes not so central... there is no need to posit a " someone there " ... so there is no need to posit an " actor " to discuss compulsive patterns, etc. it is all just " programming " ... even these words typing back and forth across cyberspace... just programming Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the > > > dots. > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > frightening separation. > > > > toombaru The organism entities with brains are responsible for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of frightening separation ... I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard enough! The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of separate entities. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to > connect the > > > > dots. > > > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > > frightening separation. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > The organism entities with brains are responsible > > for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of > > frightening separation ... > > I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard enough! > > The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of > separate entities. > > -- D. > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-product of ... conceptual thought. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to > connect the > > > > dots. > > > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > > frightening separation. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > you know so > or imagine so? > > have you observed this directly > or inferred it from observing yourself and others? > > if the latter > then I suggest that you do not know so > but imagine so > > yes, there does seem to a prevalent maladay of > human thinking that wraps into local strange > attractors that seal off into a confined state > of non-openness, non-sensitivity... > > but " the mind of man " as an abstraction for that > seems very limited to me... too specific > > there are myriad ways to be closed off > > there is no particular pattern of " mental confusion " > that accounts for the myriad forms of closed-off > thought-systems > > my view anyhow > > in a nutshell: I am suggesting that looking at these matters > in terms of dynamic systems rather than in terms of > human psychological models opens up to subtleties of > nuance and variation... > > for one, the notion of the " human entity " becomes not > so central... there is no need to posit a " someone there " ... > > so there is no need to posit an " actor " to discuss compulsive > patterns, etc. > > it is all just " programming " ... > > even these words typing back and forth across cyberspace... > just programming > > Bill > Bill, I see " who we are " as programming also, but isn't that just one view? If I see the elephant from behind it I see something quite different that if I see an elephant from in front of it. Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-product > of ... conceptual thought. > > > toombaru Conceptual thought is a byproduct of imagining that a concept can be held and maintained. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to connect the > > > dots. > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > frightening separation. > > > > toombaru This is outright silly. Things are or they are not. If the 'entity' is illusory, or 'never was'....than for cryin' in the sink, it can't posess a 'real' brain that somehow or another 'does' something called 'mentation'. It is very convenient to interpolate an 'organism with a brain', when you want to talk like this..but it runs contrary to almost everything else you say about it all being illusion that really 'is not' from the first. And even if the 'impossible' were to manifest somehow, someway.....there would not be anything'uniquely designed ' about it. It would be what it was, and without any such possible qualification inhering or obtaining within, or without, or above, or below it. And what the hell is the 'conceptual milieu?.....of and by and for whom, does this little animal do it's tricks? Overlay? Obscure?...What? And if it's an 'imaginary'overlay.....of course the results would be 'illusory', whether dreamt or otherwise. That statement is a tautology of the first order.I'll agree it's frightening. This whole sack of crap is trying to suck and blow at the same time Toombaru. Mayhaps it should rest in it's nescience and just quit trying to sound profound with illogical obfuscations. No? Trying this stuff by connecting unrelated dots, is even more foolish than the connecting of dots done by the nonexistent 'mind of.........well thats enough. It all gets to sound crazy when justifications for nonsense are dancing around the town. And it creates that little train that we used to call the bunny hop at the crazy town sockhops. Now no matter what you say........when I went to my Highschool sockhops, I was always fairly successful connecting to the Dots..and the Pollys, and the Charlenes, and the Bettys, and......Ohhhhhhhhhh! the imaginary heartache I feel. ) ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > It looks up at clouds and sees animals. > > > > > > It connects the stars with lines and sees bears......lions.........and > > > dippers. > > > > > > It connects and stores experiential data as reference points regarding > > > its imagined future. > > > > > > These dots are strung together and woven into a unique tapestry that > > > over time becomes so dense that the natural world is almost completely > > > obscured. > > > > > > An imaginary microcosm emerges concurrently with an imaginary entity > > > at its center. > > > > > > A living ......apparitional tapestry....a tiny > > > thought-stream.........pulled by gravity.............always and only > > > returning back into the Ocean. > > > > > > > > > What can this tiniest of streams do to alter its imagined condition > > > you ask. > > > > > > Absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > Is it able to see its illusory condition? > > > > > > No...It cannot. > > > > > > > > > There comes.....or not.......an unspeakable understanding that > > > evaporates all questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you grasp it.......No. > > > > > > > > > If you get it..........It gets you.........and your are no more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to > > connect the > > > > > dots. > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > > > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > > > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that obscures > > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > > > frightening separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > The organism entities with brains are responsible > > > > for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of > > > > frightening separation ... > > > > I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard enough! > > > > The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of > > separate entities. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by- product > of ... conceptual thought. > > > toombaru And of course THIS is not a conceptual thought? What do you call it? of course......the eye of God?.....who isn't. .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to > connect the > > > > dots. > > > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that > obscures > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > > frightening separation. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > This is outright silly. Things are or they are not. Like in your dreams at night? Tell me exactly what a mountain is......how far down does it go.......can you draw a line around a mountain.......What is a river?..... If the 'entity' > is illusory, or 'never was'....than for cryin' in the sink, it can't > posess a 'real' brain that somehow or another 'does' something > called 'mentation'. The 'entity' is a by-product of conceptual mentation (thought). It is a chimera that is born within the swirling mnemonic debris. It is as real as the people in your dreams last night. It is very convenient to interpolate an 'organism > with a brain', when you want to talk like this..but it runs contrary > to almost everything else you say about it all being illusion that > really 'is not' from the first. The people in your dream last night were real....or were they? And even if the 'impossible' were to > manifest somehow, someway.....there would not be anything'uniquely > designed ' about it. It would be what it was, and without any such > possible qualification inhering or obtaining within, or without, or > above, or below it. And what the hell is the 'conceptual > milieu?.....of and by and for whom, does this little animal do it's > tricks? Overlay? Obscure?...What? And if it's > an 'imaginary'overlay.....of course the results would be 'illusory', > whether dreamt or otherwise. That statement is a tautology of the > first order.I'll agree it's frightening. This whole sack of crap is > trying to suck and blow at the same time Toombaru. Mayhaps it should > rest in it's nescience and just quit trying to sound profound with > illogical obfuscations. Do you suggest that this toombaru thing has a choice? No? Trying this stuff by connecting unrelated > dots, is even more foolish than the connecting of dots done by the > nonexistent 'mind of.........well thats enough. It all gets to sound > crazy when justifications for nonsense are dancing around the town. > And it creates that little train that we used to call the bunny hop > at the crazy town sockhops. Now no matter what you say........when I > went to my Highschool sockhops, I was always fairly successful > connecting to the Dots..and the Pollys, and the Charlenes, and the > Bettys, and......Ohhhhhhhhhh! the imaginary heartache I feel. ) > > ..........bob > > > > The reason that it all sounds quite insane is because.......it is. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by-product > > of ... conceptual thought. > > > > > > toombaru > > Conceptual thought is a byproduct of imagining that a concept can be > held and maintained. > > -- D. > .....a breeder-reactor..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to > > > connect the > > > > > > dots. > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > > > > > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to > connect > > > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > > > > > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that > obscures > > > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > > > > frightening separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > The organism entities with brains are responsible > > > > > > for the " mind " of the human species, and the illusory dream of > > > > > > frightening separation ... > > > > > > I knew we could find out who to pin it on, if we looked hard > enough! > > > > > > The organism entities are responsible for the illusory dream of > > > separate entities. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > The illusion of separate entities emerges from ....and is a by- > product > > of ... conceptual thought. > > > > > > toombaru > > > And of course THIS is not a conceptual thought? What do you call it? > of course......the eye of God?.....who isn't. > > .........bob > Circles within circles....all the way down. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind of man is a survival biased mechanism designed to > > connect the > > > > > dots. > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as " the mind of man " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a mentation unique to all organisms with a brain. > > > > > > This 'mind' within the human species is uniquely designed to connect > > > dots and then give the resulting observation a name. > > > > > > From this conceptual milieu emerges an imaginary overlay that > > obscures > > > the natural world.......and results in the illusory dream of > > > frightening separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru to the first theree answer/questions in you're reply:(1.like in your dreams.....; 2.what is a mountain, river...drawing lines...; and, lastly, 3.the people in your dream last...) Ohhhhhhhh Shit! 'nough said. to the last:(The reason that it all sounds quite insane is because...) Noooooooo Shit! also 'nough said )))))))))) ............bob (NNB) > > This is outright silly. Things are or they are not. > > > Like in your dreams at night? > > Tell me exactly what a mountain is......how far down does it > go.......can you draw a line around a mountain.......What is a river? > If the 'entity' > > is illusory, or 'never was'....than for cryin' in the sink, it can't > > posess a 'real' brain that somehow or another 'does' something > > called 'mentation'. > > > > The 'entity' is a by-product of conceptual mentation (thought). > > It is a chimera that is born within the swirling mnemonic debris. > > It is as real as the people in your dreams last night. > > > > It is very convenient to interpolate an 'organism > > with a brain', when you want to talk like this..but it runs contrary > > to almost everything else you say about it all being illusion that > > really 'is not' from the first. > > > > The people in your dream last night were real....or were they? > > > > > > > > > > > > And even if the 'impossible' were to > > manifest somehow, someway.....there would not be anything'uniquely > > designed ' about it. It would be what it was, and without any such > > possible qualification inhering or obtaining within, or without, or > > above, or below it. And what the hell is the 'conceptual > > milieu?.....of and by and for whom, does this little animal do it's > > tricks? Overlay? Obscure?...What? And if it's > > an 'imaginary'overlay.....of course the results would be 'illusory', > > whether dreamt or otherwise. That statement is a tautology of the > > first order.I'll agree it's frightening. This whole sack of crap is > > trying to suck and blow at the same time Toombaru. Mayhaps it should > > rest in it's nescience and just quit trying to sound profound with > > illogical obfuscations. > > > > > Do you suggest that this toombaru thing has a choice? No? Trying this stuff by connecting unrelated > > dots, is even more foolish than the connecting of dots done by the > > nonexistent 'mind of.........well thats enough. > > > It all gets to sound > > crazy when justifications for nonsense are dancing around the town. > > And it creates that little train that we used to call the bunny hop > > at the crazy town sockhops. Now no matter what you say........when I > > went to my Highschool sockhops, I was always fairly successful > > connecting to the Dots..and the Pollys, and the Charlenes, and the > > Bettys, and......Ohhhhhhhhhh! the imaginary heartache I feel. ) > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > The reason that it all sounds quite insane is because.......it is. > > > > > :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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