RE : Head Trips/Can a person totally escape conditioning?

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Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

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> > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

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> > > > > > > --- pliantheart <illusyn@> a écrit :

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> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats "

> > > > > > > <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > <illusyn@>

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> > > > > > > > > If it feels like it *might* be a head trip,

> > > > > > > > > then it is a head trip.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If it is a head trip it is sheer bullshit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Get off the head trips and get into your

> > > > > > > heart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Stop the bullshit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All this talk about Goddamn " concepts " ...

> > > > > > > > > *all* of it is head trips and bullshit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you are in your heart you are not

> > > > > > > discussing

> > > > > > > > > " concepts " !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So stop the Bullshit!

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> > > > > > > > > If you are in your heart then there is nothing

> > > > > > > > > but heart everywhere and anywhere.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So get lost in that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Get so lost in it you never find your way out.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So it's simply -get lost and be found?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you want to know what you are getting into first?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what kind of lostness is that?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > abandon is, well, you know...

> > > > > > > Abandon

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what do you have to lose?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [and I do not mean that question lightly]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my fears, anguish and ponderings?

> > > > > > > my attachments, my abilities, my personal conceptions

> > > > > > > and misconceptions.

> > > > > > > My horse whispering, and my seashell whispering.

> > > > > > > I got to stop, I am spilling it all out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > oh no! don't stop!

> > > > > > and when you finish pouring all of that out

> > > > > > to discover what you *can't* pour out...

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > you will find

> > > > > > to be very interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it's simply pour until you're empty and then let that

> > > emptiness

> > > > > swallow you and be done with it all? All that pouring seems

> to

> > > be

> > > > > recycling itself though, kinda never-ending story isn't it?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > find out!

> > > >

> > > > questioning must come to an end

> > > >

> > > > one *taste* is worth more than a

> > > > thousand brilliant answers

> > > >

> > >

> > > So now you're telling me to stop pouring?

> > >

> >

> > Completely puzzled as to how you drew that conclusion.

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> > Anyhow, am not telling what you should do.

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> > Experiment.

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> > As for " never-ending story " ... yes, perhaps...

> > in a way that is true.

> >

> > There is never an end to " emptying oneself " .

> >

> > Maybe you empty again and again and again...

> > and then one day empty the emptier.

> >

> > There are no rules here.

> >

> > And plenty of room for daringness.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

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> So now you're teling me to experiment with daringness?

 

Hi Mat,

 

I'm not sure this is the question you're

asking but it's what I get from what I've

read of your posts: Can a person totally escape

conditioning? The person itself is a result of

conditioning.It's irrational and a misunderstanding

to expect the *person* to become unconditioned. That

which is free from conditioning is also free from

personhood. That which is alone is not the person,

but awareness, to which all people appear. It's alone

not by being by itself, but by being inseparable from

anything. In this sense, awareness is indivisable from

anything, and not apart from anything. It really can't

be called alone or together! But what is this way is not

the person. The person never achieves a " view from

nowhere, " or a God's eye view which knows all and

sees all of what truly is.

 

Of course, this is just how I see it!

 

-m