RE : Head Trips/Can a person totally escape conditioning?

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Nisargadatta , " jacobs7183 " <jacobs7183 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

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> > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn@>

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <illusyn@>

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> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

> > > > <gdtige@>

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> > > > > > > > --- pliantheart <illusyn@> a écrit :

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> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats "

> > > > > > > > <hyl894t@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > <illusyn@>

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> > > > > > > > > > If it feels like it *might* be a head trip,

> > > > > > > > > > then it is a head trip.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If it is a head trip it is sheer bullshit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Get off the head trips and get into your

> > > > > > > > heart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Stop the bullshit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All this talk about Goddamn " concepts " ...

> > > > > > > > > > *all* of it is head trips and bullshit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you are in your heart you are not

> > > > > > > > discussing

> > > > > > > > > > " concepts " !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So stop the Bullshit!

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > If you are in your heart then there is nothing

> > > > > > > > > > but heart everywhere and anywhere.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So get lost in that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Get so lost in it you never find your way out.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So it's simply -get lost and be found?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you want to know what you are getting into first?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what kind of lostness is that?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > abandon is, well, you know...

> > > > > > > > Abandon

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what do you have to lose?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [and I do not mean that question lightly]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > my fears, anguish and ponderings?

> > > > > > > > my attachments, my abilities, my personal conceptions

> > > > > > > > and misconceptions.

> > > > > > > > My horse whispering, and my seashell whispering.

> > > > > > > > I got to stop, I am spilling it all out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > oh no! don't stop!

> > > > > > > and when you finish pouring all of that out

> > > > > > > to discover what you *can't* pour out...

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > you will find

> > > > > > > to be very interesting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it's simply pour until you're empty and then let that

> > > > emptiness

> > > > > > swallow you and be done with it all? All that pouring seems

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > recycling itself though, kinda never-ending story isn't it?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > find out!

> > > > >

> > > > > questioning must come to an end

> > > > >

> > > > > one *taste* is worth more than a

> > > > > thousand brilliant answers

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > So now you're telling me to stop pouring?

> > > >

> > >

> > > Completely puzzled as to how you drew that conclusion.

> > >

> > > Anyhow, am not telling what you should do.

> > >

> > > Experiment.

> > >

> > > As for " never-ending story " ... yes, perhaps...

> > > in a way that is true.

> > >

> > > There is never an end to " emptying oneself " .

> > >

> > > Maybe you empty again and again and again...

> > > and then one day empty the emptier.

> > >

> > > There are no rules here.

> > >

> > > And plenty of room for daringness.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> > So now you're teling me to experiment with daringness?

>

> Hi Mat,

>

> I'm not sure this is the question you're

> asking but it's what I get from what I've

> read of your posts: Can a person totally escape

> conditioning? The person itself is a result of

> conditioning.It's irrational and a misunderstanding

> to expect the *person* to become unconditioned. That

> which is free from conditioning is also free from

> personhood. That which is alone is not the person,

> but awareness, to which all people appear. It's alone

> not by being by itself, but by being inseparable from

> anything. In this sense, awareness is indivisable from

> anything, and not apart from anything. It really can't

> be called alone or together! But what is this way is not

> the person. The person never achieves a " view from

> nowhere, " or a God's eye view which knows all and

> sees all of what truly is.

>

> Of course, this is just how I see it!

>

> -m

>

 

Quite so!

And wonderfully well put...

 

Bill