Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 In a message dated 5/27/2006 9:59:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hyl894t writes: > Yes Larry, > I usually play for fun, otherwise wouldn't be so fun... > However, I disagree that asking questions about life would be futile. L.E: I didn't say that. It's just that one question I was referring to. And besides, questions never seem futile to the one who asks them. Some, pride themselves on being able to even ask certain questions and spin 'round trying to answer them. > Certainly you've stumbled occasionaly over the question " who am I " > at some point in your life? L.E: Surprisingly perhaps, I don't remember ever being concerned or involved with " who am I. " Perhaps it was my art practice that always made it very clear who I was as I was, as I am. When making art, I am looking at myself at every momentas as in self-observation. Art making is a special place for the possibility of self-realization > A question probably used in and misused in many manners, but likely > best used in lack of purpose, like any other action. Yes, the eye > cannot see itself, but hey who's looking? > Let's not dwell on such trivia as the purpose of life. Like you > said, " you are free to choose " , but there is no choice in free will, > is there? L.E: The statement, " there is no choice in free will, " is on the surface, a contradiction. Free will depends on how it is seen and from where. From the absolute (kind of) there is not free will, there is just creative expression as life. From the experience of the individual in ordinary life it exists. So free will exists and doesn't exist at the same time. Or rather, from the timeless, it doesn't exist and from the relative time/bound, it does. Opposites can simultaneously exist even if it's not rational. > So do I know the answer? > I am the answer, as are you Larry ;-) > Got it? L.E: There is no question and there is no answer. You are making it all up. Do I have it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/27/2006 12:35:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > hyl894t writes: > > > -- In Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > Original Message----- > > >mats.aberg <hyl894t@> > > >Nisargadatta > > >Thu, 25 May 2006 08:40:11 -0000 > > > Re: You know the question > > > > > In Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > ><adithya_comming@> wrote: > > >> > > >>Nisargadatta , " mats.aberg " <hyl894t@> > > > > wrote: > > >>> > > Is life a question never to be answered? > > >>> > > Or, [in my experience], more like an " answer " looking for its " question " ! > > The answer [existence] looking for the question [purpose > > behind existence]. > > But could purpose be a question? > > And for that, who cares about purpose being such a destructive > > >device? > > > > > > > > >L.E: Just because a question word form is expressed that doesn't > > mean there is an answer. There are nonsense questions, > > >irrational questions, purposeless questions, stupid questions, and > > >unanswerable questions. Are you asking a question that even has > > an answer? And if an answer is given are you able to understand it? > > >Another question. To me, the question, " Is life a question never > > to be answered makes no sense, and is just a verbal constuction posing > > as an answerable question. " Life " cannot ask a question. It is not > > someting that can inqure anything of anybody. So maybe someone is just > > dangling it as bait for the unaware to jump at: a purposely asked fake > > question. > > > > > > > > >Larry Epston > > > > > > > Some questions might be questioned as to being a question, which > > introduces new questions such as; can life ask a question? Probably > > not, but those alive might ask if life is a question and that would > > be life asking itself. > > Another question is does a question have a purpose other than the > > one of interpretation? Probably not. > > The nasty habit of giving everthing a purpose is one we should get > > rid of I think. > > Sometimes a question might not be fully understood though, just as > > life isn't. > > > L.E: O.K. Let's play, just for fun. > In a real way, I agree that all questions are life itself asking itself > a question and that includes all forms of questions. That still includes dumb > questions, stupid questions and unanswerable questions. > The question-er probably always has a purpose, for only humans ask > questions as far as is known. I agree that when some people try to find a purpose > in everything, that can be called a " nasty habit. " But not everybody does that > all the time. > In conclusion, I agree that some questions may not be fully understood, > or understood at all, either by the one asking the question or the one > receiving the question, > BUT! Your last comment, the tail on the dog, that life is not > understood, deserves some extra attention. For life to be not fully understood there > first has to be someone trying to understand life by asking questions they > can't answer. This someone is rare and unusual. Among all that exists, the > vastness and infinity of life, only a few humans try to understand life in some > abstract verbal way. Everything else just lives as its form and just exists in > the here and now of the present. And when a human tries to separate out from > the flow of life to try to anwer this question he will fail, because it is > impossible to objectify or look at life as if one is not a part of it, although > a person may try to do this. > In this sense, the statement that life cannot be understood is as absurd > as is the question, " can life be understood. " Life cannot anwer this > question that it asks itself, so it still stands as an unanswerable question, just as > your answer that life cannot be understood is meaningless and absurd. > But if you want to spend your mind-time in this kind of persuit, go for it. > You are free to choose. As life, you can do that. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > Yes Larry, I usually play for fun, otherwise wouldn't be so fun... However, I disagree that asking questions about life would be futile. Certainly you've stumbled occasionaly over the question " who am I " at some point in your life? A question probably used in and misused in many manners, but likely best used in lack of purpose, like any other action. Yes, the eye cannot see itself, but hey who's looking? Let's not dwell on such trivia as the purpose of life. Like you said, " you are free to choose " , but there is no choice in free will, is there? So do I know the answer? I am the answer, as are you Larry ;-) Got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 In a message dated 5/28/2006 3:56:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hyl894t writes: > Like you said; " Opposites can simultaneously exist even if it's not > rational " , meaning there is both question, no question and answer, > no answer simultaneously. > You don't have to get it, when you are it! > As for free will, the question is; who has it? > > L.E: The opposites I was talking about was the existence of free will and > the absence of free will. > As I implied or wrote, when you realize no ego, no I am, there is no free > will, but when you or I, am in the ego, self, limited, there is free will. > Free will is a condition or state that relates to each individual it is not a > general overall situation. When the individual surrenders into the Infinite > Being, it is gone. As you exist as a separate person, it exists. So, most > have it, and a few don't. The question does not arise for any of life except > for humans because words and language create a sense of separateness that only > exists in us, I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/27/2006 9:59:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > hyl894t writes: > > > Yes Larry, > > I usually play for fun, otherwise wouldn't be so fun... > > However, I disagree that asking questions about life would be futile. > > > L.E: I didn't say that. It's just that one question I was referring to. And > besides, questions never seem futile to the one who asks them. Some, pride > themselves on being able to even ask certain questions and spin 'round trying to > answer them. > > > > Certainly you've stumbled occasionaly over the question " who am I " > > at some point in your life? > > > L.E: Surprisingly perhaps, I don't remember ever being concerned or involved > with " who am I. " Perhaps it was my art practice that always made it very clear > who I was as I was, as I am. When making art, I am looking at myself at > every momentas as in self-observation. Art making is a special place for the > possibility of self-realization > > > A question probably used in and misused in many manners, but likely > > best used in lack of purpose, like any other action. Yes, the eye > > cannot see itself, but hey who's looking? > > Let's not dwell on such trivia as the purpose of life. Like you > > said, " you are free to choose " , but there is no choice in free will, > > is there? > > L.E: The statement, " there is no choice in free will, " is on the surface, a > contradiction. Free will depends on how it is seen and from where. From the > absolute (kind of) there is not free will, there is just creative expression > as life. From the experience of the individual in ordinary life it exists. > So free will exists and doesn't exist at the same time. Or rather, from the > timeless, it doesn't exist and from the relative time/bound, it does. > Opposites can simultaneously exist even if it's not rational. > > > So do I know the answer? > > I am the answer, as are you Larry ;-) > > Got it? > > L.E: There is no question and there is no answer. You are making it all up. > Do I have it? > > > Like you said; " Opposites can simultaneously exist even if it's not rational " , meaning there is both question, no question and answer, no answer simultaneously. You don't have to get it, when you are it! As for free will, the question is; who has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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