Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 L.E: Your death will be an outcome of your enviroment, of your life situation, of what you have chosen up to the point of an ending. If you are a soldier, your death may be a soldier's death. If you are an airplane passanger, it may be a flaming plunge into the ocean. If you are a parapalegic, you will die in a basket. That's just how it is. While alive, you may be suffering, in pain, and death will be an ending to that condition. If you are using cocaine and having sex, that good time will abruptly end. That's just how it is. Yet death itself is an ending, a moment of finality. Each life has a beginning and an ending. That's just how it is. A death moment may have dignity or it may not. The death of a gangster by another gangster has no dignity. Yet is just is as it is, an expression of the environment at the moment. A mean cruel person has no dignity at death no matter who is there crying, no matter how many flowers are in the room, no matter how many prayers are uttered. They will be feared and hated my millions who will cheers at his or her demise. Good ridence to bad rubbish they will say. The world is a better place now that you are gone they will say. Do you want to have death with dignity? Then be careful how you live, and who you are, and who loves you. And remember, no one has death with dignity in a car crash or in a terrorist explosion. The service, the funeral may be quiet and dignified, or filled with crying and howling and screaming with despair by the widow and her children. A big grand church, lots of flowers and guests have a lot to do with power and money and create the appearance of dignity, but life is life, and death is death. The distinction between the two states is usually obvious and clear. There is seldom a space between the two, but sometimes there is coma, and revitalization where the almost dead come back to life, or continue their life. But this is rare. Usually its is just done, over, finished. There can be death with dignity or death without it, but it is death, just the same. And in that we share something in common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 In a message dated 5/29/2006 11:52:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hyl894t writes: > > I think the joke is death with dignity, death is death plain and > simple. Who gives rat how you go when you're gone? > Would it be an achievement to be remembered by historians? > So far, history didn't record a word of silence.......... > > L.E: Death for they dead is plain and simple, but the prelude to death can > be complex, painful and difficult not only for the dying, but for the living. > And there are many who do care how they are remembered, not only political > leaders, but we everyday people. There is the history of your family as well > as of nations, and can be important for the living, the surviving. But > perhaps you care only for yourself, the one who disappears at death if not before. Larry Epston > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > L.E: Your death will be an outcome of your enviroment, of your life > situation, of what you have chosen up to the point of an ending. If you are a soldier, > your death may be a soldier's death. If you are an airplane passanger, it > may be a flaming plunge into the ocean. If you are a parapalegic, you will die > in a basket. That's just how it is. > While alive, you may be suffering, in pain, and death will be an ending to > that condition. If you are using cocaine and having sex, that good time will > abruptly end. That's just how it is. Yet death itself is an ending, a moment > of finality. Each life has a beginning and an ending. That's just how it is. > A death moment may have dignity or it may not. The death of a gangster by > another gangster has no dignity. Yet is just is as it is, an expression of the > environment at the moment. A mean cruel person has no dignity at death no > matter who is there crying, no matter how many flowers are in the room, no matter > how many prayers are uttered. They will be feared and hated my millions who > will cheers at his or her demise. Good ridence to bad rubbish they will say. > The world is a better place now that you are gone they will say. > Do you want to have death with dignity? Then be careful how you live, and > who you are, and who loves you. And remember, no one has death with dignity in a > car crash or in a terrorist explosion. The service, the funeral may be quiet > and dignified, or filled with crying and howling and screaming with despair > by the widow and her children. A big grand church, lots of flowers and guests > have a lot to do with power and money and create the appearance of dignity, but > life is life, and death is death. The distinction between the two states is > usually obvious and clear. There is seldom a space between the two, but > sometimes there is coma, and revitalization where the almost dead come back to life, > or continue their life. But this is rare. Usually its is just done, over, > finished. There can be death with dignity or death without it, but it is > death, just the same. And in that we share something in common. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 In a message dated 5/29/2006 12:16:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hyl894t writes: > Would there be another self to care for? > > " Nothing dies. The body is just imagined. There is no such thing. " > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > L.E: Let's see who you quote when your body is being eaten up with cancer. Do you think that saying the pain you will be feeling or the pain people are now feeling is imagination? And will that make it stop hurting? And if you are the only one here, who are you writing to? Have you ever made a toothache go away by seeing it as imagination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > L.E: Your death will be an outcome of your enviroment, of your life > > situation, of what you have chosen up to the point of an ending. > If you are a soldier, > > your death may be a soldier's death. If you are an airplane > passanger, it > > may be a flaming plunge into the ocean. If you are a parapalegic, > you will die > > in a basket. That's just how it is. > > While alive, you may be suffering, in pain, and death will be an > ending to > > that condition. If you are using cocaine and having sex, that good > time will > > abruptly end. That's just how it is. Yet death itself is an > ending, a moment > > of finality. Each life has a beginning and an ending. That's just > how it is. > > A death moment may have dignity or it may not. The death of a > gangster by > > another gangster has no dignity. Yet is just is as it is, an > expression of the > > environment at the moment. A mean cruel person has no dignity at > death no > > matter who is there crying, no matter how many flowers are in the > room, no matter > > how many prayers are uttered. They will be feared and hated my > millions who > > will cheers at his or her demise. Good ridence to bad rubbish they > will say. > > The world is a better place now that you are gone they will say. > > Do you want to have death with dignity? Then be careful how you > live, and > > who you are, and who loves you. And remember, no one has death with > dignity in a > > car crash or in a terrorist explosion. The service, the funeral > may be quiet > > and dignified, or filled with crying and howling and screaming with > despair > > by the widow and her children. A big grand church, lots of flowers > and guests > > have a lot to do with power and money and create the appearance of > dignity, but > > life is life, and death is death. The distinction between the two > states is > > usually obvious and clear. There is seldom a space between the > two, but > > sometimes there is coma, and revitalization where the almost dead > come back to life, > > or continue their life. But this is rare. Usually its is just > done, over, > > finished. There can be death with dignity or death without it, but > it is > > death, just the same. And in that we share something in common. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/29/2006 11:52:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > hyl894t writes: > > > > > I think the joke is death with dignity, death is death plain and > > simple. Who gives rat how you go when you're gone? > > Would it be an achievement to be remembered by historians? > > So far, history didn't record a word of silence.......... > > > > L.E: Death for they dead is plain and simple, but the prelude to death can > > be complex, painful and difficult not only for the dying, but for the living. > > And there are many who do care how they are remembered, not only political > > leaders, but we everyday people. There is the history of your family as well > > as of nations, and can be important for the living, the surviving. But > > perhaps you care only for yourself, the one who disappears at death if not before. > > > Larry Epston > > > > > Would there be another self to care for? " Nothing dies. The body is just imagined. There is no such thing. " Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/29/2006 12:16:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > hyl894t writes: > > > Would there be another self to care for? > > > > " Nothing dies. The body is just imagined. There is no such thing. " > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > L.E: Let's see who you quote when your body is being eaten up with cancer. > Do you think that saying the pain you will be feeling or the pain people are > now feeling is imagination? And will that make it stop hurting? > And if you are the only one here, who are you writing to? > Have you ever made a toothache go away by seeing it as imagination? > > What's to say I don't have cancer? Imaginary hurt needs no stopping, it can be seen for what it is. I'm writing to my self, just like you. Toothache no, headache yes....gone..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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