Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 In a message dated 5/29/2006 5:41:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > > I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the > machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be > no more... as a neat thing. > ........ > > what if you look/feel with your heart? L.E: You will bump into walls, call the wrong numbers and not be able to find your way home. Among less serious things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > there is such a thing as dignity of death > I have seen it, > to bear the sorrow of losing one's life > of letting go > every thought > every love > every moment of sun and rain > every rainbow, every flower > the darkness the light > the joy the pain > > to give meaning to the last breath: > I have been here this day > I have walked this way > and now I leave, > do not weep for me for I have lived > > courageously. > > > for my parents Louis and Helen > > Love, > Ana Ana ,I agree. People's attitudes and even stoic resignation and acceptance of the inevitable can not only be a thing of dignity, grace and heroism it can be awe inspiring.....I've lost many friends to sudden deaths, disease and forces of nature and by men's mindless war games too. I've lost all of my grandparents, parents, a brother and sister. My wife's entire immediate family except for one sister have departed and there were nine on her mothers side that all succumbed to hideous forms of cancer, all within one and a half year time frame. She also lost a brother at age 33 to a pancreatic disorder. Some were brave, some were in fear some were setting the stage for the grieving that was to come by unbelievable strength, spiritual fortitude, faith and by consoling those who were to be left behind!....awesome, worthy and a tribute to the dignity of the human spirit.... And I've been reading all the posts on rivers flowing into oceans and how none of it matters. Well it does. And unless someone is catatonic or inhuman, all that nonsense is just crap. It hurts, and hurts badly, for those left to linger...no matter how profound the thoughts. But my posting regarding the dignity of death had NOTHING to do with any of this. I was speaking about the physical facts period. Death on a purely factual basis is not pretty, nor graceful nor full of light....not from my experience. It is not as physical fact a dignified thing. You speak here of COURAGE....and I agree people dying can be courageous and dignified...but that does not make death a dignified situation... I have answered the flower power poetics about how we are all just rivers going into bigger waters and dignity doesn't apply with the thought that that kind of talk cheapens the very thing that is already being faced WITH dignity but is not itself a thing OF dignity. When I hear that stuff it all sounds great and rings true..but the speakers or writers by talking like that are saying that it's just the way it is and no matter if the fires of hell are being endured by those suffering souls , well all is well and it just doesn't matter how they face their deaths....I disagree completely..and that's a cheap and easy thing to do..to talk that trash as you sit under the apple tree by a cool stream and contemplate life..but it is a denegration of the great spirit and soul of man and mankind, period. I see you loved your parents dearly and I'm sure they lived and died in a courageous and dignified manner. But I still say..the thing itself... dying...is not and cannot truthfully be seen as a dignity to anyone. the post: Our bodies break down, sometimes when we're 90, sometimes before we're even born, but it always happens and there's never any dignity in it. I don't care if you can walk, see, wipe your own ass. It's always ugly.Always. You can live with dignity, we can't die with it. not a mention of courage anywhere. But a strong emohasis that the people live with dignity and that is true in so many cases right up to the very end and that too is courageous....but suffering death may be done by the courageous and dignified..ugly death does not bestow this, this is the power and quality of the person. peace and understanding from one very human soul ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > wrote: > > > > there is such a thing as dignity of death > > I have seen it, > > to bear the sorrow of losing one's life > > of letting go > > every thought > > every love > > every moment of sun and rain > > every rainbow, every flower > > the darkness the light > > the joy the pain > > > > to give meaning to the last breath: > > I have been here this day > > I have walked this way > > and now I leave, > > do not weep for me for I have lived > > > > courageously. > > > > > > for my parents Louis and Helen > > > > Love, > > Ana > > Ana ,I agree. People's attitudes and even stoic resignation and > acceptance of the inevitable can not only be a thing of dignity, > grace and heroism it can be awe inspiring.....I've lost many friends > to sudden deaths, disease and forces of nature and by men's mindless > war games too. I've lost all of my grandparents, parents, a brother > and sister. My wife's entire immediate family except for one sister > have departed and there were nine on her mothers side that all > succumbed to hideous forms of cancer, all within one and a half year > time frame. She also lost a brother at age 33 to a pancreatic > disorder. Some were brave, some were in fear some were setting the > stage for the grieving that was to come by unbelievable strength, > spiritual fortitude, faith and by consoling those who were to be left > behind!....awesome, worthy and a tribute to the dignity of the human > spirit.... And I've been reading all the posts on rivers flowing into > oceans and how none of it matters. Well it does. And unless someone > is catatonic or inhuman, all that nonsense is just crap. It hurts, > and hurts badly, for those left to linger...no matter how profound > the thoughts. But my posting regarding the dignity of death had > NOTHING to do with any of this. I was speaking about the physical > facts period. Death on a purely factual basis is not pretty, nor > graceful nor full of light....not from my experience. It is not as > physical fact a dignified thing. You speak here of COURAGE....and I > agree people dying can be courageous and dignified...but that does > not make death a dignified situation... I have answered the flower > power poetics about how we are all just rivers going into bigger > waters and dignity doesn't apply with the thought that that kind of > talk cheapens the very thing that is already being faced WITH dignity > but is not itself a thing OF dignity. When I hear that stuff it all > sounds great and rings true..but the speakers or writers by talking > like that are saying that it's just the way it is and no matter if > the fires of hell are being endured by those suffering souls , well > all is well and it just doesn't matter how they face their > deaths....I disagree completely..and that's a cheap and easy thing to > do..to talk that trash as you sit under the apple tree by a cool > stream and contemplate life..but it is a denegration of the great > spirit and soul of man and mankind, period. I see you loved your > parents dearly and I'm sure they lived and died in a courageous and > dignified manner. But I still say..the thing itself... dying...is not > and cannot truthfully be seen as a dignity to anyone. > > the post: > Our bodies break down, sometimes when we're 90, sometimes before we're > even born, but it always happens and there's never any dignity in it. > I don't care if you can walk, see, wipe your own ass. It's always > ugly.Always. You can live with dignity, we can't die with it. > > > not a mention of courage anywhere. But a strong emohasis that the > people live with dignity and that is true in so many cases right up > to the very end and that too is courageous....but suffering death may > be done by the courageous and dignified..ugly death does not bestow > this, this is the power and quality of the person. > peace and understanding from one very human soul > ........bob > Perhaps I should have written this as a prelude to the poem. I witnessed my mother dying of stomach cancer. She was sent home for the last time from the hospital right before Christmas 1984. Two weeks. She died March 28, 1995. I carried her to the bathroom. All 50 pounds of her. Starvation was the cause on the death certificate. My father died the day after Xmas 2003, he battled with Bi-polar, Parkinson's and Emphysema for years and years. I now work with the dying and the elderly with dimentia. Many years ago, I took a class outlined by Elizabeth Kubler Ross's works. Folks die as they have lived, mostly. The oozings and secretions of the body are not pretty or fragrant, nor its withering away. To see any and all life, dear Bob, as inherently dignified with power and quality just because " I " lives, is to see death in the same manner. IMHO. Ever and only Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > > wrote: > > > > > > there is such a thing as dignity of death > > > I have seen it, > > > to bear the sorrow of losing one's life > > > of letting go > > > every thought > > > every love > > > every moment of sun and rain > > > every rainbow, every flower > > > the darkness the light > > > the joy the pain > > > > > > to give meaning to the last breath: > > > I have been here this day > > > I have walked this way > > > and now I leave, > > > do not weep for me for I have lived > > > > > > courageously. > > > > > > > > > for my parents Louis and Helen > > > > > > Love, > > > Ana > > > > Ana ,I agree. People's attitudes and even stoic resignation and > > acceptance of the inevitable can not only be a thing of dignity, > > grace and heroism it can be awe inspiring.....I've lost many > friends > > to sudden deaths, disease and forces of nature and by men's > mindless > > war games too. I've lost all of my grandparents, parents, a > brother > > and sister. My wife's entire immediate family except for one > sister > > have departed and there were nine on her mothers side that all > > succumbed to hideous forms of cancer, all within one and a half > year > > time frame. She also lost a brother at age 33 to a pancreatic > > disorder. Some were brave, some were in fear some were setting the > > stage for the grieving that was to come by unbelievable strength, > > spiritual fortitude, faith and by consoling those who were to be > left > > behind!....awesome, worthy and a tribute to the dignity of the > human > > spirit.... And I've been reading all the posts on rivers flowing > into > > oceans and how none of it matters. Well it does. And unless > someone > > is catatonic or inhuman, all that nonsense is just crap. It hurts, > > and hurts badly, for those left to linger...no matter how profound > > the thoughts. But my posting regarding the dignity of death had > > NOTHING to do with any of this. I was speaking about the physical > > facts period. Death on a purely factual basis is not pretty, nor > > graceful nor full of light....not from my experience. It is not as > > physical fact a dignified thing. You speak here of COURAGE....and > I > > agree people dying can be courageous and dignified...but that does > > not make death a dignified situation... I have answered the > flower > > power poetics about how we are all just rivers going into bigger > > waters and dignity doesn't apply with the thought that that kind > of > > talk cheapens the very thing that is already being faced WITH > dignity > > but is not itself a thing OF dignity. When I hear that stuff it > all > > sounds great and rings true..but the speakers or writers by > talking > > like that are saying that it's just the way it is and no matter if > > the fires of hell are being endured by those suffering souls , > well > > all is well and it just doesn't matter how they face their > > deaths....I disagree completely..and that's a cheap and easy thing > to > > do..to talk that trash as you sit under the apple tree by a cool > > stream and contemplate life..but it is a denegration of the great > > spirit and soul of man and mankind, period. I see you loved your > > parents dearly and I'm sure they lived and died in a courageous > and > > dignified manner. But I still say..the thing itself... dying...is > not > > and cannot truthfully be seen as a dignity to anyone. > > > > the post: > > Our bodies break down, sometimes when we're 90, sometimes before > we're > > even born, but it always happens and there's never any dignity in > it. > > I don't care if you can walk, see, wipe your own ass. It's always > > ugly.Always. You can live with dignity, we can't die with it. > > > > > > not a mention of courage anywhere. But a strong emohasis that the > > people live with dignity and that is true in so many cases right > up > > to the very end and that too is courageous....but suffering death > may > > be done by the courageous and dignified..ugly death does not > bestow > > this, this is the power and quality of the person. > > peace and understanding from one very human soul > > ........bob > > > > > Perhaps I should have written this as a prelude to the poem. I > witnessed my mother dying of stomach cancer. She was sent home for > the last time from the hospital right before Christmas 1984. Two > weeks. She died March 28, 1995. I carried her to the bathroom. > All 50 pounds of her. Starvation was the cause on the death > certificate. My father died the day after Xmas 2003, he battled > with Bi-polar, Parkinson's and Emphysema for years and years. I now > work with the dying and the elderly with dimentia. > > Many years ago, I took a class outlined by Elizabeth Kubler Ross's > works. Folks die as they have lived, mostly. > > The oozings and secretions of the body are not pretty or fragrant, > nor its withering away. > > To see any and all life, dear Bob, as inherently dignified with > power and quality just because " I " lives, is to see death in the > same manner. IMHO. > > Ever and only Love, > Ana well Ana i certainly agree with you on the living and dying with dignity....your folks were 'living' proof of that. And I do understand the Great Cycle of Life and Death and the Grand Economy of our Universe..........and I still cannot come to grips with nor accept with my limited ability to observe all this as just the way it is, that the Fact of Death is anything but ignoble. Why so much emphasis by all the spiritual traditions on the fact that we never DIE? some say we were never born as well.....maybe....but you know from where I'm looking, they spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with the rather obvious situation and human feeling about Death. What did Buddha see that set him on his quest for enlightenment.......it certainly wasn't the glory and dignity of the sick and dying. Why was it the conquering over Death that was the primary focus of the Nazarene? How can you describe the evidential 'suffering' of your mother and the' battle' of your father unless somewhere in you there is a sneaking hunch that although life is inherently dignified and the people as well, that that ending stuff is not. The people and souls absolutely, but not the actual suffering pain and death...that was a put off even for Prince Shakyamuni.And even all health care and palliative care is done to extend life and put off as long as may be possible..DEATH. Why? Dignity? Dignity wouldn't seem to require these efforts of so many to prevent it from landing any old time, it would seem to me. Unless all those hospitals and all that research etc. are just some sort of stupid and sordid game, done for unreasonable purposes. I know it is all necessary and meted out ultimately with a grand balance and perhaps greater perspective...but it just isn't my reality NOW NOW NOW........And I also understand that there are many that disagree and hold a diametrically opposite opinion. And I find that graceful and honorable. Just not my sense of the matter. Even all manner of thing will end.....and it is as it all shall and should be......but as a living, breathing, loving, striving, searching, hoping and faithful man....I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be no more... as a neat thing. I just cannot do that and that too is OK. I'm Ok and You're OK and all sorts and manner of subjects and objects are OK. Variety of thought and belief as well as variety of all life's spices, makes this place our home and jouney. And I even think these feelings I harbor on the death and dying, that is the fate of all, are also part and parcel of that most august and reverential thing we call life. Peace for Real, bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 In a message dated 5/29/2006 6:57:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > >In a message dated 5/29/2006 5:41:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >illusyn writes: > > > >> > >>I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the > >>machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be > >>no more... as a neat thing. > >>........ > >> > >>what if you look/feel with your heart? > > > >L.E: You will bump into walls, call the wrong numbers and not be > able to find > >your way home. Among less serious things. > > Based on your answer... you apparently don't know how to do that. > And if you don't know how, your answer is not informed. L.E; My answer is just a guess, and perhaps that is being not informed. If you can and do look and feel with your heart and not use your mind, how do you flush the toilet, make a peanut butter sandwich and find the knob on the TV? But perhaps I am making false assumptions and thinking and using your mind is still part of your suggested equation. Tell us more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > there is such a thing as dignity of death > I have seen it, > to bear the sorrow of losing one's life > of letting go > every thought > every love > every moment of sun and rain > every rainbow, every flower > the darkness the light > the joy the pain > > to give meaning to the last breath: > I have been here this day > I have walked this way > and now I leave, > do not weep for me for I have lived > > courageously. > > > for my parents Louis and Helen > > Love, > Ana > gloriously beautiful Ana! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Bill: > Based on your answer... you apparently don't know how to do that. > And if you don't know how, your answer is not informed. Daylight Time, gdtige writes: > `til your eyelids are shut, > `til your ears are forgotten from the noise of the world, > `til your lips are sealed, > Will you not know the color sound and taste of who you are. > > > `til your eyelids are shut, (Don't do this while driving) `til your ears are forgotten from the noise of the world, (Don't do this in a construction zone) `til your lips are sealed, (Make sure no one will ask you a question, like where did you put the car key?) Will you not know the color sound and taste of who you are. ( Is that color sound, or color, sound....?) (What is a color sound?) (But, we are experienceing color, sound and taste all the time, except while sleeping, and sometimes even then) (When in the state of the Absolute, there is no color, no sound, and no taste. There is just Beingness so......?) Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be no more... as a neat thing. ......... what if you look/feel with your heart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <illusyn wrote: > > I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the > machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be > no more... as a neat thing. > ........ > > what if you look/feel with your heart? that's exactly what's looking and feeling, and exactly what gets broken, and exactly the reason I said what I said. if it was all cerebral Bill I could just spout clever solopsisms like toom. I love that guy....but he's ALL head. And I even like a lot of the poetry of yours and others..hell I post enough of the poems of wisdom seekers for you to know that. sometimes though, I think and feel that some of that is also strictly talking about feeling by using words of glorious sentiment, but no real heart. I'm not saying that's the case with you or anyone, but sometimes it can happen and happen to the best. I'm the one that gets accused of verbosity and no heart.....and whereas the wordy part is true.because I do love language......the no heart stuff is crap. just because I am straight and to the point and try to keep salient and grounded, doesn't mean I don't have heart...nothing could be further from the truth and I've quit giving a good gdamn what anyone thinks about it(and that too is from the heart).....I'm being me, and I'm being as true to what I feel as well as think and if that iritates anyone......so be it. And I also enjoy a good laugh....and if that makes me oafish in your eyes or others'....too bad. I'm not going to phoney up to look good and please a bunch of people by saying what I think they want to hear....no dice. I pony up with what is true, or funny or interesting or worth something in my eyes. that's all and that's it. take it or leave it. but it's who and what I am and it ain't all bad......and if I seem to get on anyone's case...and I do.......follow upthread.....go back to the beggining of what started as a simple posting....which than got attacked and then got tit for tat.....and that too will not change. I'm not going to be anybody's pin cushion. but I also don't start the back and forths...and I will not back down...is all this too wordy? well that's who I am and thta's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > there is such a thing as dignity of death > > > > I have seen it, > > > > to bear the sorrow of losing one's life > > > > of letting go > > > > every thought > > > > every love > > > > every moment of sun and rain > > > > every rainbow, every flower > > > > the darkness the light > > > > the joy the pain > > > > > > > > to give meaning to the last breath: > > > > I have been here this day > > > > I have walked this way > > > > and now I leave, > > > > do not weep for me for I have lived > > > > > > > > courageously. > > > > > > > > > > > > for my parents Louis and Helen > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Ana > > > > > > Ana ,I agree. People's attitudes and even stoic resignation and > > > acceptance of the inevitable can not only be a thing of dignity, > > > grace and heroism it can be awe inspiring.....I've lost many > > friends > > > to sudden deaths, disease and forces of nature and by men's > > mindless > > > war games too. I've lost all of my grandparents, parents, a > > brother > > > and sister. My wife's entire immediate family except for one > > sister > > > have departed and there were nine on her mothers side that all > > > succumbed to hideous forms of cancer, all within one and a half > > year > > > time frame. She also lost a brother at age 33 to a pancreatic > > > disorder. Some were brave, some were in fear some were setting > the > > > stage for the grieving that was to come by unbelievable strength, > > > spiritual fortitude, faith and by consoling those who were to be > > left > > > behind!....awesome, worthy and a tribute to the dignity of the > > human > > > spirit.... And I've been reading all the posts on rivers flowing > > into > > > oceans and how none of it matters. Well it does. And unless > > someone > > > is catatonic or inhuman, all that nonsense is just crap. It > hurts, > > > and hurts badly, for those left to linger...no matter how > profound > > > the thoughts. But my posting regarding the dignity of death had > > > NOTHING to do with any of this. I was speaking about the physical > > > facts period. Death on a purely factual basis is not pretty, nor > > > graceful nor full of light....not from my experience. It is not > as > > > physical fact a dignified thing. You speak here of COURAGE....and > > I > > > agree people dying can be courageous and dignified...but that > does > > > not make death a dignified situation... I have answered the > > flower > > > power poetics about how we are all just rivers going into bigger > > > waters and dignity doesn't apply with the thought that that kind > > of > > > talk cheapens the very thing that is already being faced WITH > > dignity > > > but is not itself a thing OF dignity. When I hear that stuff it > > all > > > sounds great and rings true..but the speakers or writers by > > talking > > > like that are saying that it's just the way it is and no matter > if > > > the fires of hell are being endured by those suffering souls , > > well > > > all is well and it just doesn't matter how they face their > > > deaths....I disagree completely..and that's a cheap and easy > thing > > to > > > do..to talk that trash as you sit under the apple tree by a cool > > > stream and contemplate life..but it is a denegration of the great > > > spirit and soul of man and mankind, period. I see you loved your > > > parents dearly and I'm sure they lived and died in a courageous > > and > > > dignified manner. But I still say..the thing itself... dying...is > > not > > > and cannot truthfully be seen as a dignity to anyone. > > > > > > the post: > > > Our bodies break down, sometimes when we're 90, sometimes before > > we're > > > even born, but it always happens and there's never any dignity in > > it. > > > I don't care if you can walk, see, wipe your own ass. It's always > > > ugly.Always. You can live with dignity, we can't die with it. > > > > > > > > > not a mention of courage anywhere. But a strong emohasis that the > > > people live with dignity and that is true in so many cases right > > up > > > to the very end and that too is courageous....but suffering death > > may > > > be done by the courageous and dignified..ugly death does not > > bestow > > > this, this is the power and quality of the person. > > > peace and understanding from one very human soul > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should have written this as a prelude to the poem. I > > witnessed my mother dying of stomach cancer. She was sent home for > > the last time from the hospital right before Christmas 1984. Two > > weeks. She died March 28, 1995. I carried her to the bathroom. > > All 50 pounds of her. Starvation was the cause on the death > > certificate. My father died the day after Xmas 2003, he battled > > with Bi-polar, Parkinson's and Emphysema for years and years. I > now > > work with the dying and the elderly with dimentia. > > > > Many years ago, I took a class outlined by Elizabeth Kubler Ross's > > works. Folks die as they have lived, mostly. > > > > The oozings and secretions of the body are not pretty or fragrant, > > nor its withering away. > > > > To see any and all life, dear Bob, as inherently dignified with > > power and quality just because " I " lives, is to see death in the > > same manner. IMHO. > > > > Ever and only Love, > > Ana > > > well Ana i certainly agree with you on the living and dying with > dignity....your folks were 'living' proof of that. And I do > understand the Great Cycle of Life and Death and the Grand Economy of > our Universe..........and I still cannot come to grips with nor > accept with my limited ability to observe all this as just the way it > is, that the Fact of Death is anything but ignoble. Why so much > emphasis by all the spiritual traditions on the fact that we never > DIE? some say we were never born as well.....maybe....but you know > from where I'm looking, they spent an inordinate amount of time > dealing with the rather obvious situation and human feeling about > Death. What did Buddha see that set him on his quest for > enlightenment.......it certainly wasn't the glory and dignity of the > sick and dying. Why was it the conquering over Death that was the > primary focus of the Nazarene? How can you describe the > evidential 'suffering' of your mother and the' battle' of your father > unless somewhere in you there is a sneaking hunch that although life > is inherently dignified and the people as well, that that ending > stuff is not. The people and souls absolutely, but not the actual > suffering pain and death...that was a put off even for Prince > Shakyamuni.And even all health care and palliative care is done to > extend life and put off as long as may be possible..DEATH. Why? > Dignity? Dignity wouldn't seem to require these efforts of so many to > prevent it from landing any old time, it would seem to me. Unless all > those hospitals and all that research etc. are just some sort of > stupid and sordid game, done for unreasonable purposes. I know it is > all necessary and meted out ultimately with a grand balance and > perhaps greater perspective...but it just isn't my reality NOW NOW > NOW........And I also understand that there are many that disagree > and hold a diametrically opposite opinion. And I find that graceful > and honorable. Just not my sense of the matter. Even all manner of > thing will end.....and it is as it all shall and should be......but > as a living, breathing, loving, striving, searching, hoping and > faithful man....I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the > machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be > no more... as a neat thing. I just cannot do that and that too is OK. > I'm Ok and You're OK and all sorts and manner of subjects and objects > are OK. Variety of thought and belief as well as variety of all > life's spices, makes this place our home and jouney. And I even think > these feelings I harbor on the death and dying, that is the fate of > all, are also part and parcel of that most august and reverential > thing we call life. > Peace for Real, > bob > no matter how many times we tell our tales of woe and glory it's still the same old story, as time goes by ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/29/2006 5:41:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > illusyn writes: > > > > > I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the > > machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be > > no more... as a neat thing. > > ........ > > > > what if you look/feel with your heart? > > L.E: You will bump into walls, call the wrong numbers and not be able to find > your way home. Among less serious things. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 5/29/2006 5:41:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > illusyn writes: > > > > > I can't look at the world of dog eat dog, and the > > machine world universe of one eats another and all are destined to be > > no more... as a neat thing. > > ........ > > > > what if you look/feel with your heart? > > L.E: You will bump into walls, call the wrong numbers and not be able to find > your way home. Among less serious things. Based on your answer... you apparently don't know how to do that. And if you don't know how, your answer is not informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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