Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > Marc > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > again and again..... > ..................here and now > what is not appearance? even " the One " ? and realization that all is appearance... is that appearance too? does realization that all is appearance *make a difference*? or does it only appear to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > again and again..... > > ..................here and now > > > > what is not appearance? > > even " the One " ? > > and realization that all is appearance... > is that appearance too? > > does realization that all is appearance > *make a difference*? > > or does it only appear to? the One has no name and form......how could it have a real " appearence " in the mind.... nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego-mind..... it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming you only appear to wake up in the morning? Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > > again and again..... > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > is that appearance too? > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > *make a difference*? > > > > or does it only appear to? > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego-mind..... > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming I take it that you mean - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming if so, then realization is apparently a difference in how appearance is *seen*. and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently something real. it certainly is not appearance. or is it? > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > > > again and again..... > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- mind..... > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > I take it that you mean > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > in how appearance is *seen*. > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > or is it? > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > Marc > > Reality never appears to an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > mind..... > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > I take it that you mean > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > or is it? > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion There is no such thing other than reality and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, calling itself reality. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > mind..... > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > I take it that you mean > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > or is it? > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > Thats why you can't see me! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and > move.... > > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > > mind..... > > > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > > > I take it that you mean > > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > > > or is it? > > > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion > There is no such thing other than reality > and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, > calling itself reality. > > Hmmmm. > I think you're starting to get it, question being who's going to lose it? Never thought that would happen...hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and > > move.... > > > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > > > mind..... > > > > > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > > > > > I take it that you mean > > > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > > > > > or is it? > > > > > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > > > > > > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion > > There is no such thing other than reality > > and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, > > calling itself reality. > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > I think you're starting to get it, question being who's going to > lose it? > Never thought that would happen...hmmmm Oh my, Mats, Where oh where have you been in my illusion? I make you up, and you just come out now?????? hmmmm. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > > > again and again..... > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- mind..... > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > I take it that you mean > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > in how appearance is *seen*. > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > or is it? > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > Hi Bill, it's all about to know " who and what " you are..... then you will also know what is only " appearence " and what is not so this your statement : " - appearance without realization all-is- appearance is dreaming " ..... .....have no problem with it your statement " - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming " .... would say " realization of " who " you realy are...is not dreaming.....and therefore no more trapped in " appearences " .... your write: " if so, then realization is apparently a difference > in how appearance is *seen*. > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > something real. it certainly is not appearance. " yes....i see what you mean...... whenever you are " aware " of your real Self....then " you " can make differences.....means, then you are no more troubled with " appearences " .....coming and going... i told you that " realization " is only an " attitude " of a " dreaming- ego-mind " ......( " who " don't know " who " he/she realy is) in reality...there are no " differences " of real Being..... Marc > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > Thats why you can't see me! ;-) > funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and > move.... > > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > > mind..... > > > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > > > I take it that you mean > > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > > > or is it? > > > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion > There is no such thing other than reality > and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, > calling itself reality. > > Hmmmm. > not the biggest, just an illusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and > move.... > > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > > mind..... > > > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > > > I take it that you mean > > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > > > or is it? > > > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion No. Illusion without the dimmest awareness that there is illusion is the depth of darkness. Awareness that there is illusion is a crack of light. > There is no such thing other than reality > and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, > calling itself reality. You seem to want to call mere use of the term illusion indicative of delusion. Illusion is as real as shadows are real. When Light pours through every pore neither are to be found. But to see no illusion anywhere and to speak of illusion are two different things. One does not necessarily imply the other. > Hmmmm. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in calmness..... > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and move.... > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > mind..... > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > I take it that you mean > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is dreaming > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > or is it? > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > Hi Bill, > > it's all about to know " who and what " you are..... > then you will also know what is only " appearence " and what is not > > so this your statement : " - appearance without realization all-is- > appearance is dreaming " ..... > ....have no problem with it > > > your statement " - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming " .... > > would say " realization of " who " you realy are...is not > dreaming.....and therefore no more trapped in " appearences " .... > > your write: > " if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. " > > > yes....i see what you mean...... > > whenever you are " aware " of your real Self.... impossible... " aware of " goes away with real Self... as real Self cares not about (whatever) appearances... which is perhaps what you are saying. " aware of " goes away with real Self because real Self has no use for distinctions. Nothing is isolated as " real " by real Self. for real Self there is just awareness... the boundlessness of awareness, ever expanding, unfolding... but never *of*...(anything) > then " you " can make > differences.....means, then you are no more troubled > with " appearences " .....coming and going... > > i told you that " realization " is only an " attitude " of a " dreaming- > ego-mind " ......( " who " don't know " who " he/she realy is) > > in reality...there are no " differences " of real Being..... > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been done.... > > > > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in > calmness..... > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and > > > move.... > > > > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming ego- > > > > mind..... > > > > > > > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > > > > > > > I take it that you mean > > > > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is > dreaming > > > > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > > > > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > > > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > > > > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > > > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > > > > > > > or is it? > > > > > > > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion > > > There is no such thing other than reality > > > and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, > > > calling itself reality. > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > I think you're starting to get it, question being who's going to > > lose it? > > Never thought that would happen...hmmmm > > > > Oh my, Mats, > > Where oh where have you been in my illusion? I make you up, and you > just come out now?????? > > hmmmm. ;-) > As you know, I've always been right here as a part of your illusion, question being have you looked and what did you see? And why? Hmmmmmmm ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which need to be done..... > > > > > > > > > appear by the appearence of yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent things which appear having been > done.... > > > > > > > > > appear by the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the appearent change of/in/by yourself..... > > > > > > > > > let appear other things which need to be done.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: let the One breathe through you.....in > > calmness..... > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that appearences move....and > > > > move.... > > > > > > > > > again and again..... > > > > > > > > > ..................here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not appearance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even " the One " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and realization that all is appearance... > > > > > > > > is that appearance too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does realization that all is appearance > > > > > > > > *make a difference*? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or does it only appear to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the One has no name and form......how could it have a > > > > > > > real " appearence " in the mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody is there for realization....except the dreaming > ego- > > > > > mind..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it make the " difference " that you stop dreaming > > > > > > > > > > > > I take it that you mean > > > > > > - appearance without realization all-is-appearance is > > dreaming > > > > > > - realization all-is-appearance is not-dreaming > > > > > > > > > > > > if so, then realization is apparently a difference > > > > > > in how appearance is *seen*. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that difference in how-is-seen is apparently > > > > > > something real. it certainly is not appearance. > > > > > > > > > > > > or is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only appear to wake up in the morning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality never appears to an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest illusion is that there is an illusion > > > > There is no such thing other than reality > > > > and the word " illusion " spoken by the illusion, > > > > calling itself reality. > > > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > I think you're starting to get it, question being who's going to > > > lose it? > > > Never thought that would happen...hmmmm > > > > > > > > Oh my, Mats, > > > > Where oh where have you been in my illusion? I make you up, and > you > > just come out now?????? > > > > hmmmm. ;-) > > > As you know, I've always been right here as a part of your illusion, > question being have you looked and what did you see? And why? > Hmmmmmmm ;-) > I keep looking and see nothing but these scratches on a computer screen, biting the thoughts of God trying to put You into flesh that I can see, hear feel taste and touch and love the scent of You. Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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