Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 All conceptual thought is delusional. That IS the Understanding. toombaru >>>>> that is the limit of YOUR understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > That IS the Understanding. > > > toombaru > > >>>>> > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > Now thats a deluded concept Toomby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > That IS the Understanding. > > > toombaru > > >>>>> > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > >>>>> > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > -- D. > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? What is the Atlantic Ocean really? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > -- D. 'TRAVEL in all the four quarters of the earth, yet you will find nothing [no true religion] anywhere. Whatever there is, is only here.' Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > toombaru > > Two words that come after " the " and before " really " in Toombaru's > question. > > And is there a line around " Toombarumbia " ? > > And where is it on my map? > > (I lost my secret decoder ring, please help me out.) > > ;-) > > -- D. > I'm sorry that you lost your ring. Now.......Can you tell me what that Atlantic Ocean thing really is? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > I'm sorry that you lost your ring. > > Now.......Can you tell me what that Atlantic Ocean thing really is? > > > > toombaru George Washington. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > I'm sorry that you lost your ring. > > > > Now.......Can you tell me what that Atlantic Ocean thing really is? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > George Washington. > > > -- D. > That's cute....but this was not offered as a koan, You said: " Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. " It is my contention that all conceptual thought is delusional. You state a case in which you apparentely are in opposition that view and cite an example involving something called the " Atlantic Ocean " . When asked exactly what this Atlantic Ocean thing actually is......you elude the fact that no such thing actually exists and offer a koan-like response. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > toombaru ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* It's awesome, dude! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > toombaru > > ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? > > Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* > > It's awesome, dude! > > > I am unable to decipher this post. Could you please elaborate. Thanks toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? > > > > Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* > > > > It's awesome, dude! > > > > > > > > I am unable to decipher this post. > > Could you please elaborate. > > Thanks > > > toombaru > ** We can define, we can picture, we can make meanings, but we can't know what anything actually IS, including our thinking and communication. Freedom from meanings and implications is already the case, always. 'A self' is one such meaning, implication, or inference. It's a big subject, but thanks for asking. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? > > > > Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* > > > > It's awesome, dude! > > > > > > > > I am unable to decipher this post. > > Could you please elaborate. > > Thanks > > > toombaru " > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? " - Q. Is this a serious question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? > > > > > > Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* > > > > > > It's awesome, dude! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unable to decipher this post. > > > > Could you please elaborate. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ** We can define, we can picture, we can make meanings, but > we can't know what anything actually IS, including our > thinking and communication. > > Freedom from meanings and implications is already the case, > always. 'A self' is one such meaning, implication, or > inference. > > It's a big subject, but thanks for asking. > > Ken > The self is by no means merely a concept. It's a deep- seated, Hydra-headed emotional orientation. All the 'talking-school' Advaita stuff that many people have latched onto and gleefully promote these days ain't gonna touch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? > > > > > > Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* > > > > > > It's awesome, dude! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unable to decipher this post. > > > > Could you please elaborate. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > toombaru > > > " > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? " > > - Q. Is this a serious question? > apparently... and the emperor has no clothes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 > > > Now.......Can you tell me what that Atlantic Ocean thing really is? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > George Washington. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > That's cute....but this was not offered as a koan, > > You said: > > > " Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. " > > > > It is my contention that all conceptual thought is delusional. > > You state a case in which you apparentely are in opposition that view > and cite an example involving something called the " Atlantic Ocean " . > > When asked exactly what this Atlantic Ocean thing actually is......you > elude the fact that no such thing actually exists and offer a > koan-like response. > > > toombaru > the problem with your approach, toombaru, is it presumes that the only reality is that as defined by words. you then proceed to prove that whatever is in words is fatuous and false. certainly reality as that which is defined by words is indeed fatuous and false. but your entire approach is circular and doesn't really show anything. as long as you insist that reality is that as defined in words you will have a null, nihilistic point of view. you *do know* what vulnerability is. you *do know* what deep joy is. and you know those things quite apart from any verbal characterization. you know because you know in your heart. what you know in your heart has no need of words. your heart go to it it waits for you you can't refuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > > > > toombaru The Atlantic Ocean is; toombaru in a helicopter halfway to Europe, where he is respectfully dropped into the water, and then if he makes it ashore, he is given the chance to repeat his question again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > That IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > that is the limit of YOUR understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > > > > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ** Well, it's not just a concept, eh? > > > > > > Borrowing from Dan: it's the *immaculate non-conception* > > > > > > It's awesome, dude! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unable to decipher this post. > > > > Could you please elaborate. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > toombaru > > > " > > Is there a line around that " Atlantic Ocean " thing? > > > > > > What is the Atlantic Ocean really? " > > - Q. Is this a serious question? In the Quiescence that IS the Flowingness........no..no..that's not the kind of thing that I want to say......I can't show you, I can't tell you and I can't describe them as what they REALLY are or what each one 'is'...(pity the poor lost lambs..Bah!). Ok Ok ...here it is...for " Enlightened Beings " ...Nothing is Serious....some of the more phoney enlightened duded and dudettes take that 'Not- Seriousness' a little to seriously(ness)....and fall back into the Rock and Rollness of their rocking chair... to think up some more good'uns to get 'em. :-))) ....bob.....just a shepherd's shepherd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > I'm sorry that you lost your ring. > > > > > > Now.......Can you tell me what that Atlantic Ocean thing really is? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > George Washington. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > That's cute....but this was not offered as a koan, > > You said: > > > " Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. " > > > > It is my contention that all conceptual thought is delusional. > > You state a case in which you apparentely are in opposition that view > and cite an example involving something called the " Atlantic Ocean " . > > When asked exactly what this Atlantic Ocean thing actually is......you > elude the fact that no such thing actually exists and offer a > koan-like response. > > > toombaru Nope, I'm not in opposition. You apparently misinterpreted my metaphor about the Atlantic Ocean to be oppositional to your point, whereas it is a way of understanding the limits of conceptual thought, while noting that conceptual thought can be useful in the right context (just as a bicycle can). I didn't say that no such thing as the Atlantic Ocean exists, again your apparent misinterpretation. If I explain these metaphors, and you use conceptual thought to try to understand my explanation, won't this just lead to further delusion -- according to your belief that conceptual thought is delusional? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm sorry that you lost your ring. > > > > > > > > Now.......Can you tell me what that Atlantic Ocean thing really is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > George Washington. > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > That's cute....but this was not offered as a koan, > > > > You said: > > > > > > " Conceptual thought works just fine for what it is. > > > > No need to try to ride a bicycle across the Atlantic Ocean. " > > > > > > > > It is my contention that all conceptual thought is delusional. > > > > You state a case in which you apparentely are in opposition that view > > and cite an example involving something called the " Atlantic Ocean " . > > > > When asked exactly what this Atlantic Ocean thing actually is......you > > elude the fact that no such thing actually exists and offer a > > koan-like response. > > > > > > toombaru > > Nope, I'm not in opposition. You apparently misinterpreted my > metaphor about the Atlantic Ocean to be oppositional to your point, > whereas it is a way of understanding the limits of conceptual thought, > while noting that conceptual thought can be useful in the right > context (just as a bicycle can). > > I didn't say that no such thing as the Atlantic Ocean exists, again > your apparent misinterpretation. > > If I explain these metaphors, and you use conceptual thought to try to > understand my explanation, won't this just lead to further delusion -- > according to your belief that conceptual thought is delusional? > > -- Dan > you sly fox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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