Who is the Guru?

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Jesus insisted that no follower of his deal should call himself

teacher. The Indian term 'guru' is often translated into 'teacher', but

it means further things as well, and 'teacher' is not even its central

meaning. Accordingly, what about the term 'jagadguru'? Is it from

Swedish jagad, hunted, driven out, and guru, teacher? Few think so.

Instead the common understanding of the term is 'world-guru', from

Sanskrit jagad, world, and guru.

Now, there are no prohibitions in the Bible against terming

oneself such as 'world avatar', 'jagadguru' (guru of the universe),

and 'guru' (saving expert or less). But 'teacher' is forbidden - Alas

for the Sunday school teachers and the rest of them -

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Jesus insisted that no follower of his deal should call himself

> teacher. The Indian term 'guru' is often translated into 'teacher',

but

> it means further things as well, and 'teacher' is not even its

central

> meaning. Accordingly, what about the term 'jagadguru'? Is it from

> Swedish jagad, hunted, driven out, and guru, teacher? Few think so.

> Instead the common understanding of the term is 'world-guru', from

> Sanskrit jagad, world, and guru.

> Now, there are no prohibitions in the Bible against terming

> oneself such as 'world avatar', 'jagadguru' (guru of the universe),

> and 'guru' (saving expert or less). But 'teacher' is forbidden - Alas

> for the Sunday school teachers and the rest of them -

>

 

To me, Guru means love.

 

One can go into esoteric etymology or interpretation of the term " guru "

based on metaphorical interplays of the Indo-European languages and

traditions but without love there's no guru.

 

Having said that I think we all know how one man's enlightened guru can

be another man's fake teacher.

 

Also it's interesting to point some Advaitins' dislike for the word

teacher. Whenever they're referred as the teacher, the automatic denial

of, " there's no teaching, no teacher, no one to teach. " Hence the world

of duality with its contradictions, paradoxes, the playground of the

ego. I know the word ego is another bad word in the Advaitin world and

the funny thing is that it attracts some of the most bizarre ego types

who are trying to escape from their ego, which they cannot of course no

matter how much they repeat " there's no me, " and the sneaky me creeps

in at some point.

 

I say enjoy the ride of the ego while it lasts.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jesus insisted that no follower of his deal should call himself

> > teacher. The Indian term 'guru' is often translated into 'teacher',

> but

> > it means further things as well, and 'teacher' is not even its

> central

> > meaning. Accordingly, what about the term 'jagadguru'? Is it from

> > Swedish jagad, hunted, driven out, and guru, teacher? Few think so.

> > Instead the common understanding of the term is 'world-guru', from

> > Sanskrit jagad, world, and guru.

> > Now, there are no prohibitions in the Bible against terming

> > oneself such as 'world avatar', 'jagadguru' (guru of the universe),

> > and 'guru' (saving expert or less). But 'teacher' is forbidden - Alas

> > for the Sunday school teachers and the rest of them -

> >

>

> To me, Guru means love.

>

> One can go into esoteric etymology or interpretation of the term " guru "

> based on metaphorical interplays of the Indo-European languages and

> traditions but without love there's no guru.

>

> Having said that I think we all know how one man's enlightened guru can

> be another man's fake teacher.

>

> Also it's interesting to point some Advaitins' dislike for the word

> teacher. Whenever they're referred as the teacher, the automatic denial

> of, " there's no teaching, no teacher, no one to teach. " Hence the world

> of duality with its contradictions, paradoxes, the playground of the

> ego. I know the word ego is another bad word in the Advaitin world and

> the funny thing is that it attracts some of the most bizarre ego types

> who are trying to escape from their ego, which they cannot of course no

> matter how much they repeat " there's no me, " and the sneaky me creeps

> in at some point.

>

> I say enjoy the ride of the ego while it lasts.

 

If you're looking at things one way, say as communicating beings with

preferences, everyone has ego.

 

If you're looking at things another way, there is no ego anywhere.

 

For example, as energy flow, there is just movement and interplay of

positive and negative polarities. That's all.

 

When exchanging words, or when simply dealing with experiencing,

everyone is involved in some kind of perspective.

 

Even a brain-damaged person producing nonsense syllables could be

considered as presenting some kind of view.

 

If there can be a view, there can be what is with no view applied.

 

This will never be provided by one person to another.

 

Nor can it be an experience that begins and ends.

 

Still, one might venture an attempt: One is subsumed by one's prior

being timelessly, such that no activity or change is involved or

required. By one's prior being, I mean one's being prior to existence

and nonexistence being concerns, or implied conditions.

 

-- Dan