Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 --- Michael Adamson <adamson a écrit : Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > Duality Creates Conflict > > > > Conflict of any kind—physically, psychologically, intellectually— is > a waste of energy. Please, it is extraordinarily difficult to > understand and to be free of this because most of us are brought up to > struggle, to make effort. When we are at school, that is the first > thing that we are taught—to make an effort. And that struggle, that > effort is carried throughout life—that is, to be good you must > struggle, you must fight evil, you must resist, control. So, > educationally, sociologically, religiously, human beings are taught to > struggle. You are told that to find God you must work, discipline, do > practice, twist and torture your soul, your mind, your body, deny, > suppress; that you must not look; that you must fight, fight, fight at > that so-called spiritual level—which is not the spiritual level at > all. Then, socially each one is out for himself, for his family. > > > > ...So, all around, we are wasting energy. And that waste of energy > in essence is conflict: the conflict between " I should " and " I should > not, " " I must " and " I must not. " Once having created duality, conflict > is inevitable. So one has to understand this whole process of > duality—not that there is not man and woman, green and red, light and > darkness, tall and short; all those are facts. But in the effort that > goes into this division between the fact and the idea, there is the > waste of energy. > > > > The Book of Life - June 2 > > ********************************************** > > > > I might add, conflict also creates duality! ... Michael Adamson > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Nothing is wasted, and conflicts are all included in and as *this that > is, as is.* > > Krishnamurti lecturing at others about what he imagines their > conflicts are, and how they shouldn't have them, and how they are a > waste of energy -- is itself conflict, and itself contains a should > that is apart from what is. > > Ironic -- funny! > > He said some intelligent things at times -- I'm not running him down. > But his tendency toward Sunday-school lectures from a position of > superior morality tends to be ironic and revealing a conflict he > carried, apparently. That is, not in response to something immediate > presented to him -- but something he felt a need to lecture about - - > to impose on his audience -- and some of them apparently loved him for > it! At least some of them -- followed him around -- lecture to > lecture -- " lecture at me some more, K, for being conflicted, vain, > foolish, greedy, self-centered, a member of the human race. I'm sure > it's good for me to hear that. " > > The most ironic thing to me about K is the time and energy he put into > establishing a foundation bearing his name -- to make sure his words > were passed on to the next generations -- the very guy who lectured > about not having an authority, how venerating thought as truth is > off-base, etc. > > -- Dan > Thanks for the new slant. Helped create more of an " opening " . Michael ................................................... Who cares if K created a foundation, I never felt imposed on by K, He put order in my fonctionning like nobody else could, I never felt lectured and yet I was very young when we came in contact and hated being lectured. He did his job as best as he could. And for those that are critical for his lack of completness, You are now challenged to reveal a perfection superior to his, and give it to us. Share it, don`t just freakin`mumble cheap critiques. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- Michael Adamson <adamson a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " > <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > Duality Creates Conflict > > > > > > Conflict of any kind—physically, psychologically, > intellectually— > is > > a waste of energy. Please, it is extraordinarily > difficult to > > understand and to be free of this because most of us > are brought > up to > > struggle, to make effort. When we are at school, > that is the first > > thing that we are taught—to make an effort. And that > struggle, that > > effort is carried throughout life—that is, to be > good you must > > struggle, you must fight evil, you must resist, > control. So, > > educationally, sociologically, religiously, human > beings are > taught to > > struggle. You are told that to find God you must > work, discipline, > do > > practice, twist and torture your soul, your mind, > your body, deny, > > suppress; that you must not look; that you must > fight, fight, > fight at > > that so-called spiritual level—which is not the > spiritual level at > > all. Then, socially each one is out for himself, for > his family. > > > > > > ...So, all around, we are wasting energy. And that > waste of > energy > > in essence is conflict: the conflict between " I > should " and " I > should > > not, " " I must " and " I must not. " Once having created > duality, > conflict > > is inevitable. So one has to understand this whole > process of > > duality—not that there is not man and woman, green > and red, light > and > > darkness, tall and short; all those are facts. But > in the effort > that > > goes into this division between the fact and the > idea, there is the > > waste of energy. > > > > > > The Book of Life - June 2 > > > ********************************************** > > > > > > I might add, conflict also creates duality! ... > Michael Adamson > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Nothing is wasted, and conflicts are all included in > and as *this > that > > is, as is.* > > > > Krishnamurti lecturing at others about what he > imagines their > > conflicts are, and how they shouldn't have them, and > how they are a > > waste of energy -- is itself conflict, and itself > contains a should > > that is apart from what is. > > > > Ironic -- funny! > > > > He said some intelligent things at times -- I'm not > running him > down. > > But his tendency toward Sunday-school lectures > from a position of > > superior morality tends to be ironic and revealing a > conflict he > > carried, apparently. That is, not in response to > something > immediate > > presented to him -- but something he felt a need to > lecture about - > - > > to impose on his audience -- and some of them > apparently loved him > for > > it! At least some of them -- followed him around -- > lecture to > > lecture -- " lecture at me some more, K, for being > conflicted, vain, > > foolish, greedy, self-centered, a member of the > human race. I'm > sure > > it's good for me to hear that. " > > > > The most ironic thing to me about K is the time and > energy he put > into > > establishing a foundation bearing his name -- to > make sure his > words > > were passed on to the next generations -- the very > guy who lectured > > about not having an authority, how venerating > thought as truth is > > off-base, etc. > > > > -- Dan > > > > Thanks for the new slant. Helped create more of an > " opening " . > Michael > .................................................. > Who cares if K created a foundation, I never felt > imposed on by K, He put order in my fonctionning like > nobody else could, I never felt lectured and yet I was > very young when we came in contact and hated being > lectured. > He did his job as best as he could. And for those that > are critical for his lack of completness, > You are now challenged to reveal a perfection superior > to his, > and give it to us. Share it, don`t just freakin`mumble > cheap critiques. > > Patricia > Wow! the guantlet has been thrown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 In a message dated 6/3/2006 1:52:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes: > >You are now challenged to reveal a perfection superior > >to his, > >and give it to us. Share it, don`t just freakin`mumble > >cheap critiques. > > > >Patricia > > A perfection superior to his? > > You've got to be kidding - but I'm afraid your not. > > Patricia - he's got to be turning over in his grave right about now. > > If he said anything, it was not to take the speaker as an authority, > not to take the speaker as perfect, don't make an ideal out of the > speaker. Instead, look at what happens when you idealize. > > From where I sit, sincere critique is a way to show attention and > care. It shows one digested, and isn't interested in regurgitating. > > -- Dan > > > L.E: K made a great living out of telling others not to take the advice of > others. The guru who was not a guru advising people to avoid gurus. He had some nice advice, resting in a bowl of bird-crap. So if you can stand the smell, there can be some value for those who can. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > Thanks for the new slant. Helped create more of an > " opening " . > Michael > .................................................. > Who cares if K created a foundation, I never felt > imposed on by K, He put order in my fonctionning like > nobody else could, I never felt lectured and yet I was > very young when we came in contact and hated being > lectured. > He did his job as best as he could. And for those that > are critical for his lack of completness, > You are now challenged to reveal a perfection superior > to his, > and give it to us. Share it, don`t just freakin`mumble > cheap critiques. > > Patricia A perfection superior to his? You've got to be kidding - but I'm afraid your not. Patricia - he's got to be turning over in his grave right about now. If he said anything, it was not to take the speaker as an authority, not to take the speaker as perfect, don't make an ideal out of the speaker. Instead, look at what happens when you idealize. From where I sit, sincere critique is a way to show attention and care. It shows one digested, and isn't interested in regurgitating. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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