from balls to bone (A True Teancher and Teaching

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > > > I guess it takes courage or mindlessness to be free.

> > > > But then, we're free already so who needs courage or a mind?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Correct

> >

> > Being correct has nothing to do with freedom.

> >

> > Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an idea

> > overheard -- a repetition of gossip. (unless one knows one's

being

> > " prior to conditions " -- and fully within and as

conditions: " from

> > balls to bone " as the Oracle said to Neo.)

> >

> > True, this is not a personal possession, and doesn't depend on

> > personally acquired qualities like courage or an imaginary mind

of

> > one's own.

> >

> > Yet, apart from your personal being as it is right now, there is

no

> > way to know this as is (not from an outside position).

> >

> > It's not by getting rid of one's personal being that truth is

> > understood -- so back one comes to courage, commitment, and

> > responsibility -- just no imputation of a separable being that

does

> > those things!

> >

> > -- Dan

> >

>

> " Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an

idea... "

>

> well said

>

> while freedom is our very nature

> ironically

> it must be earned

>

> the shedding of aeons of baggage

> is not at the snap of a finger

>

> Meher Baba said (paraphrase):

> I am God and you are God.

> The difference is that I know it

> and you don't.

>

> substitute 'free' for 'God', and

> you get my point that while we

> are free inherently, *real freedom*

> is in actually KNOWING that in a deep,

> " from balls to bone " kind of way.

>

> the existential struggle in which

> freedom is not is a miring in words,

> and words will not dispel it.

>

> something much stronger is needed to

> cut that grease.

>

> Nisargadatta spoke of earnestness and

> intensity.

>

> Whether those are sufficient conditions,

> certainly they are necessary.

>

>

> Bill

>

 

True, and we can also debate is freedom an idea, a state of mind, or

an attribute of existence, or perhaps all of the above?