Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 In a message dated 6/3/2006 2:23:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes: > But we all know there is no one there, so who is to know it? > > Smiling, > > Dan > L.E: Within and with respect for the truth of that, there is still the booger hanging from your finger that just returned from your nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The true teacher IS Freedom.......and he sets about to free > you > > > from > > > > > ALL bondage from the first moment of contact. - He will not > abide > > > > with > > > > > any posturing and bowing. > > > > > It's only your own resistance that stand in the way of > immediate > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it takes courage or mindlessness to be free. > > > > But then, we're free already so who needs courage or a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct > > > > Being correct has nothing to do with freedom. > > > > Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an idea > > overheard -- a repetition of gossip. (unless one knows one's being > > " prior to conditions " -- and fully within and as conditions: " from > > balls to bone " as the Oracle said to Neo.) > > > > True, this is not a personal possession, and doesn't depend on > > personally acquired qualities like courage or an imaginary mind of > > one's own. > > > > Yet, apart from your personal being as it is right now, there is no > > way to know this as is (not from an outside position). > > > > It's not by getting rid of one's personal being that truth is > > understood -- so back one comes to courage, commitment, and > > responsibility -- just no imputation of a separable being that does > > those things! > > > > -- Dan > > > > > So you'd like to be courageous, committed and responsible without > separable being? > Free your mind Dan! (As Morpheus said to Neo) > Is there such a thing as courage without separable being? > > 1500 The devil made her do it, burn the witch! > 1976 My ego makes me do it, but hey I'm innocent! > 2006 ....................................... Mats - I don't think you hear what I'm saying. And that's just how it is. There is no separable being, ever, never has been, never could be. And yes, there is courage. Unless one is blind. A firefighter goes into a burning building and rescues a child. Lungs damaged for the rest of his life from smoke inhalation. But clever advaita talk will say, " oh well, that's just how it happened, there is no separate self, no choice, so no one to gain any merit for a so-called courageous act. " Some who have read some advaita are way too clever now to be fooled by ideas like " courage. " Those ideas just don't apply, thanks to the wonderful insight that no one is there. Unfortunately, I won't be able to explain further what this is, when there is courage, but not a separable someone being courageous. One knows this because it is so for the one who knows it, or one doesn't see it. And that is just how it is. But we all know there is no one there, so who is to know it? Smiling, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The true teacher IS Freedom.......and he sets about to free > > you > > > > from > > > > > > ALL bondage from the first moment of contact. - He will not > > abide > > > > > with > > > > > > any posturing and bowing. > > > > > > It's only your own resistance that stand in the way of > > immediate > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it takes courage or mindlessness to be free. > > > > > But then, we're free already so who needs courage or a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct > > > > > > Being correct has nothing to do with freedom. > > > > > > Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an idea > > > overheard -- a repetition of gossip. (unless one knows one's being > > > " prior to conditions " -- and fully within and as conditions: " from > > > balls to bone " as the Oracle said to Neo.) > > > > > > True, this is not a personal possession, and doesn't depend on > > > personally acquired qualities like courage or an imaginary mind of > > > one's own. > > > > > > Yet, apart from your personal being as it is right now, there is no > > > way to know this as is (not from an outside position). > > > > > > It's not by getting rid of one's personal being that truth is > > > understood -- so back one comes to courage, commitment, and > > > responsibility -- just no imputation of a separable being that does > > > those things! > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > So you'd like to be courageous, committed and responsible without > > separable being? > > Free your mind Dan! (As Morpheus said to Neo) > > Is there such a thing as courage without separable being? > > > > 1500 The devil made her do it, burn the witch! > > 1976 My ego makes me do it, but hey I'm innocent! > > 2006 ....................................... > > Mats - > > I don't think you hear what I'm saying. > > And that's just how it is. > > There is no separable being, ever, never has been, never could be. > > And yes, there is courage. > > Unless one is blind. > > A firefighter goes into a burning building and rescues a child. > > Lungs damaged for the rest of his life from smoke inhalation. ***firefighter--one of many hats saviour-types wear. > > But clever advaita talk will say, " oh well, that's just how it > happened, there is no separate self, no choice, so no one to gain any > merit for a so-called courageous act. " > > Some who have read some advaita are way too clever now to be fooled by > ideas like " courage. " Those ideas just don't apply, thanks to the > wonderful insight that no one is there. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to explain further what this is, when > there is courage, but not a separable someone being courageous. > > One knows this because it is so for the one who knows it, or one > doesn't see it. > > And that is just how it is. ***And that's the way it is. Walter Cronkite > > But we all know there is no one there, so who is to know it? ***no one knows no one... > > Smiling, ***back at ya;-) > > Dan > ***Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The true teacher IS Freedom.......and he sets about to > free > > > you > > > > > from > > > > > > > ALL bondage from the first moment of contact. - He will > not > > > abide > > > > > > with > > > > > > > any posturing and bowing. > > > > > > > It's only your own resistance that stand in the way of > > > immediate > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it takes courage or mindlessness to be free. > > > > > > But then, we're free already so who needs courage or a > mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct > > > > > > > > Being correct has nothing to do with freedom. > > > > > > > > Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an idea > > > > overheard -- a repetition of gossip. (unless one knows one's > being > > > > " prior to conditions " -- and fully within and as > conditions: " from > > > > balls to bone " as the Oracle said to Neo.) > > > > > > > > True, this is not a personal possession, and doesn't depend on > > > > personally acquired qualities like courage or an imaginary > mind of > > > > one's own. > > > > > > > > Yet, apart from your personal being as it is right now, there > is no > > > > way to know this as is (not from an outside position). > > > > > > > > It's not by getting rid of one's personal being that truth is > > > > understood -- so back one comes to courage, commitment, and > > > > responsibility -- just no imputation of a separable being that > does > > > > those things! > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you'd like to be courageous, committed and responsible > without > > > separable being? > > > Free your mind Dan! (As Morpheus said to Neo) > > > Is there such a thing as courage without separable being? > > > > > > 1500 The devil made her do it, burn the witch! > > > 1976 My ego makes me do it, but hey I'm innocent! > > > 2006 ....................................... > > > > Mats - > > > > I don't think you hear what I'm saying. > > > > And that's just how it is. > > > > There is no separable being, ever, never has been, never could be. > > > > And yes, there is courage. > > > > Unless one is blind. > > > > A firefighter goes into a burning building and rescues a child. > > > > Lungs damaged for the rest of his life from smoke inhalation. > > > ***firefighter--one of many hats saviour-types wear. > > > > > > But clever advaita talk will say, " oh well, that's just how it > > happened, there is no separate self, no choice, so no one to gain > any > > merit for a so-called courageous act. " > > > > Some who have read some advaita are way too clever now to be > fooled by > > ideas like " courage. " Those ideas just don't apply, thanks to the > > wonderful insight that no one is there. > > > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to explain further what this is, > when > > there is courage, but not a separable someone being courageous. > > > > One knows this because it is so for the one who knows it, or one > > doesn't see it. > > > > And that is just how it is. > > > ***And that's the way it is. > Walter Cronkite > > > > > But we all know there is no one there, so who is to know it? > > > ***no one knows no one... > > > > > > > Smiling, > > ***back at ya;-) > > > > Dan > > > > ***Ana :*) ..........hey roberibus111!...you clown....what the hell is a teaNcher???? a tean teacher? ......bob(leave'em laughin' joker!) ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The true teacher IS Freedom.......and he sets about to free > > you > > > > from > > > > > > ALL bondage from the first moment of contact. - He will not > > abide > > > > > with > > > > > > any posturing and bowing. > > > > > > It's only your own resistance that stand in the way of > > immediate > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it takes courage or mindlessness to be free. > > > > > But then, we're free already so who needs courage or a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct > > > > > > Being correct has nothing to do with freedom. > > > > > > Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an idea > > > overheard -- a repetition of gossip. (unless one knows one's being > > > " prior to conditions " -- and fully within and as conditions: " from > > > balls to bone " as the Oracle said to Neo.) > > > > > > True, this is not a personal possession, and doesn't depend on > > > personally acquired qualities like courage or an imaginary mind of > > > one's own. > > > > > > Yet, apart from your personal being as it is right now, there is no > > > way to know this as is (not from an outside position). > > > > > > It's not by getting rid of one's personal being that truth is > > > understood -- so back one comes to courage, commitment, and > > > responsibility -- just no imputation of a separable being that does > > > those things! > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > So you'd like to be courageous, committed and responsible without > > separable being? > > Free your mind Dan! (As Morpheus said to Neo) > > Is there such a thing as courage without separable being? > > > > 1500 The devil made her do it, burn the witch! > > 1976 My ego makes me do it, but hey I'm innocent! > > 2006 ....................................... > > Mats - > > I don't think you hear what I'm saying. > > And that's just how it is. > > There is no separable being, ever, never has been, never could be. > > And yes, there is courage. > > Unless one is blind. > > A firefighter goes into a burning building and rescues a child. > > Lungs damaged for the rest of his life from smoke inhalation. > > But clever advaita talk will say, " oh well, that's just how it > happened, there is no separate self, no choice, so no one to gain any > merit for a so-called courageous act. " > > Some who have read some advaita are way too clever now to be fooled by > ideas like " courage. " Those ideas just don't apply, thanks to the > wonderful insight that no one is there. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to explain further what this is, when > there is courage, but not a separable someone being courageous. > > One knows this because it is so for the one who knows it, or one > doesn't see it. > > And that is just how it is. > > But we all know there is no one there, so who is to know it? > > Smiling, > > Dan > Courage *is*, quite simply, the courage to let go of one's separateness, to " forget oneself " . The act of that fireman is not out of self-interest... it is an action that transcends self-interest. The vulnerability to be completely open to the moment without regard to self-interest... that in itself is the dissolution of separation, and that in itself is the essence of courage. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 The vulnerability to be completely open to the moment without regard to self-interest... that in itself is the dissolution of separation, and that in itself is the essence of courage. Bill L.E: From the Absolute there is no separation and no courage. From the realm of the ordinary there is courage and separation. Both are reflections of one another. Both are one another. There is no disagreement, only differing points of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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