from balls to bone (A True Teancher and Teaching

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

>

> > the existential struggle in which

> > freedom is not is a miring in words,

> > and words will not dispel it.

> >

> > something much stronger is needed to

> > cut that grease.

> >

> > Nisargadatta spoke of earnestness and

> > intensity.

> >

> > Whether those are sufficient conditions,

> > certainly they are necessary.

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

> I agree, Bill.

>

> " The Tao is not won by gaining, but loss upon loss ... " Lao Tzu

>

> One doesn't go under or around, one must go through to the other

side.

>

> Although this is the other side, there is no way to know this,

without

> going through the abyss, the loss, the dissolution.

>

> To say that what dissolves never existed, only makes sense when loss

> is fully accepted.

>

> Loss of the previous history, context, story, and emotional

> attachments collected as me -- this is not an easy deal. It amounts

to

> loss of self, world, and all associated relationships and meaning.

But

> because all of that is based on maintaining an inherent split, there

> is no way to know " what is so " and avoid going through that loss.

>

> And there is no special state that is arrived at.

 

very important points.

and not emphasized enough, IMO.

 

 

> It's just daily life and all its travails, and the day by day losses

> that are our *openness* -- our *vulnerability* as you've pointed

out.

 

and yet so much of " nondual talk " evidences an aim to " end run "

those travails, to discount them as " not real " .

 

it seems that many take nondualism as a rationale for " unplugging

from life " . Really it calls for just the opposite.

 

Bill

 

> It is through dying that our openness is understood, and indeed, is

> possible.

>

> -- Dan

>