Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 In a message dated 6/4/2006 12:16:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pliantheart writes: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 > wrote: > > > >Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > >wrote: > > > >>the existential struggle in which > >>freedom is not is a miring in words, > >>and words will not dispel it. > >> > >>something much stronger is needed to > >>cut that grease. > >> > >>Nisargadatta spoke of earnestness and > >>intensity. > >> > >>Whether those are sufficient conditions, > >>certainly they are necessary. > >> > >> > >>Bill > > > >I agree, Bill. > > > > " The Tao is not won by gaining, but loss upon loss ... " Lao Tzu > > > >One doesn't go under or around, one must go through to the other > side. > > > >Although this is the other side, there is no way to know this, > without > >going through the abyss, the loss, the dissolution. > > > >To say that what dissolves never existed, only makes sense when loss > >is fully accepted. > > > >Loss of the previous history, context, story, and emotional > >attachments collected as me -- this is not an easy deal. It amounts > to > >loss of self, world, and all associated relationships and meaning. > But > >because all of that is based on maintaining an inherent split, there > >is no way to know " what is so " and avoid going through that loss. > > > >And there is no special state that is arrived at. > > very important points. > and not emphasized enough, IMO. > > > >It's just daily life and all its travails, and the day by day losses > >that are our *openness* -- our *vulnerability* as you've pointed > out. > > and yet so much of " nondual talk " evidences an aim to " end run " > those travails, to discount them as " not real " . > > it seems that many take nondualism as a rationale for " unplugging > from life " . Really it calls for just the opposite. > > Bill > > >It is through dying that our openness is understood, and indeed, is > >possible. > > > >-- Dan > > L.E: Everything falls down and comes apart, and then you build it up again. So here we are. T.V., sports, video games, newspapers, driving a car, going to movies. Yes sir, out one door and in another. What a strange situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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