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In a message dated 6/4/2006 12:16:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

pliantheart writes:

 

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033

> wrote:

> >

> >Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> >wrote:

> >

> >>the existential struggle in which

> >>freedom is not is a miring in words,

> >>and words will not dispel it.

> >>

> >>something much stronger is needed to

> >>cut that grease.

> >>

> >>Nisargadatta spoke of earnestness and

> >>intensity.

> >>

> >>Whether those are sufficient conditions,

> >>certainly they are necessary.

> >>

> >>

> >>Bill

> >

> >I agree, Bill.

> >

> > " The Tao is not won by gaining, but loss upon loss ... " Lao Tzu

> >

> >One doesn't go under or around, one must go through to the other

> side.

> >

> >Although this is the other side, there is no way to know this,

> without

> >going through the abyss, the loss, the dissolution.

> >

> >To say that what dissolves never existed, only makes sense when loss

> >is fully accepted.

> >

> >Loss of the previous history, context, story, and emotional

> >attachments collected as me -- this is not an easy deal. It amounts

> to

> >loss of self, world, and all associated relationships and meaning.

> But

> >because all of that is based on maintaining an inherent split, there

> >is no way to know " what is so " and avoid going through that loss.

> >

> >And there is no special state that is arrived at.

>

> very important points.

> and not emphasized enough, IMO.

>

>

> >It's just daily life and all its travails, and the day by day losses

> >that are our *openness* -- our *vulnerability* as you've pointed

> out.

>

> and yet so much of " nondual talk " evidences an aim to " end run "

> those travails, to discount them as " not real " .

>

> it seems that many take nondualism as a rationale for " unplugging

> from life " . Really it calls for just the opposite.

>

> Bill

>

> >It is through dying that our openness is understood, and indeed, is

> >possible.

> >

> >-- Dan

> >

 

L.E: Everything falls down and comes apart, and then you build it up again.

So here we are. T.V., sports, video games, newspapers, driving a car, going

to movies. Yes sir, out one door and in another. What a strange situation.

 

 

 

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