Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Mats " <hyl894t@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The true teacher IS Freedom.......and he sets about > to > > > free > > > > > you > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > ALL bondage from the first moment of contact. - He > > will > > > not > > > > > abide > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > any posturing and bowing. > > > > > > > > > It's only your own resistance that stand in the way > of > > > > > immediate > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it takes courage or mindlessness to be free. > > > > > > > > But then, we're free already so who needs courage or a > > mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct > > > > > > > > > > > > Being correct has nothing to do with freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saying that everyone is free from the beginning is just an > > idea > > > > > > overheard -- a repetition of gossip. (unless one knows > one's > > > being > > > > > > " prior to conditions " -- and fully within and as > > > conditions: " from > > > > > > balls to bone " as the Oracle said to Neo.) > > > > > > > > > > > > True, this is not a personal possession, and doesn't depend > > on > > > > > > personally acquired qualities like courage or an imaginary > > mind > > > of > > > > > > one's own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, apart from your personal being as it is right now, > > there > > > is no > > > > > > way to know this as is (not from an outside position). > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not by getting rid of one's personal being that truth > is > > > > > > understood -- so back one comes to courage, commitment, and > > > > > > responsibility -- just no imputation of a separable being > > that > > > does > > > > > > those things! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you'd like to be courageous, committed and responsible > > without > > > > > separable being? > > > > > Free your mind Dan! (As Morpheus said to Neo) > > > > > Is there such a thing as courage without separable being? > > > > > > > > > > 1500 The devil made her do it, burn the witch! > > > > > 1976 My ego makes me do it, but hey I'm innocent! > > > > > 2006 ....................................... > > > > > > > > Mats - > > > > > > > > I don't think you hear what I'm saying. > > > > > > > > And that's just how it is. > > > > > > > > There is no separable being, ever, never has been, never could > > be. > > > > > > > > And yes, there is courage. > > > > > > > > Unless one is blind. > > > > > > > > A firefighter goes into a burning building and rescues a child. > > > > > > > > Lungs damaged for the rest of his life from smoke inhalation. > > > > > > > > But clever advaita talk will say, " oh well, that's just how it > > > > happened, there is no separate self, no choice, so no one to > > gain > > > any > > > > merit for a so-called courageous act. " > > > > > > > > Some who have read some advaita are way too clever now to be > > fooled > > > by > > > > ideas like " courage. " Those ideas just don't apply, thanks to > > the > > > > wonderful insight that no one is there. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to explain further what this is, > > when > > > > there is courage, but not a separable someone being courageous. > > > > > > > > One knows this because it is so for the one who knows it, or one > > > > doesn't see it. > > > > > > > > And that is just how it is. > > > > > > > > But we all know there is no one there, so who is to know it? > > > > > > > > Smiling, > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > Courage *is*, quite simply, the courage to let go of > > > one's separateness, to " forget oneself " . > > > > > > The act of that fireman is not out of self-interest... > > > it is an action that transcends self-interest. > > > > > > The vulnerability to be completely open to the moment > > > without regard to self-interest... that in itself is > > > the dissolution of separation, and that in itself is > > > the essence of courage. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > The questions is; one type of forgetfullness could be called > madness > > and another elightenment, yet having the same results?? > > Conclusion, enlightenment must be some sort of madness, not? > > > Question?........whose? > ??????????????????? > Tag! 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