Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. Not even that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > Not even that. not even....this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > Not even that. > but let's not speak in absolutes... at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow at another I am light shedding light at another nothing can be said... at this moment... nothing can be said... but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... and you can have it that way if you like but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder and whether there are any moments or not... I rejoice in each one. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > at another I am light shedding light > > at another nothing can be said... > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > and you can have it that way if you like > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > I rejoice in each one. > > Bill > No you don't toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > toombaru > o but I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > o but I do > Nope. Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. There is simply no way around this. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. ** True, but you assume you've found one. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. > > ** True, but you assume you've found one. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > When an identified entity assumes that it is able to determine what it assumes another identified entity is assuming..........it descends into the darkest part of the catacombs.............. where even the hall of mirrors is in the dark. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. > > > > ** True, but you assume you've found one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > When an identified entity assumes that it is able to determine what it > assumes another identified entity is assuming..........it descends > into the darkest part of the catacombs.............. where even the > hall of mirrors is in the dark. > > > toombaru > an empty mirror is the distance between shadows that speak of darkness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. > > > > ** True, but you assume you've found one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > When an identified entity assumes that it is able to determine what it > assumes another identified entity is assuming..........it descends > into the darkest part of the catacombs.............. where even the > hall of mirrors is in the dark. > > > toombaru > All that is required for identification to turn into liberation is for ! to turn into ? ? Toombaru, can I " assume " that you're not identified with your name? (Because, on a playful note: " Toomb " , as in two, " too " much in a " tomb " ,i.e., the depths of a (ca)t(ac)omb, mirroring each other, in the dark. But you're not identified, ar u? I'm not. You can play as much as you'd like with my names, one of which is) Sky ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. > > > > > toombaru Wrong again toomabru This is because you are hung into the realm of words, and so see the words as the reality. So to you if someone merely uses the word " I " then anything said is delusional???? That is SO not the case! Take this Nisargadatta quote: Love tells me I am everything Wisdom tells me I am nothing Between the two my life flows. According to what you just wrote that is delusional, yes? You need to get outside of words! Words are just the spume of true being. This is life. This is being. This is truth. It moves. Like the " tracks " in a cloud chamber used to study atomic particles, these words are just the tracks of something so beyond words. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > Say when...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am Emptiness pouring Emptiness into Emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but let's not speak in absolutes... > > > > > > > > > > at one moment I am sorrow pouring into sorrow > > > > > > > > > > at another I am light shedding light > > > > > > > > > > at another nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > at this moment... nothing can be said... > > > > > > > > > > but there are so many moments, and each a marvel. > > > > > > > > > > I know you will say " there aren't any moments " ... > > > > > > > > > > and you can have it that way if you like > > > > > > > > > > but for me each moment is a fresh brimming of wonder > > > > > > > > > > and whether there are any moments or not... > > > > > > > > > > I rejoice in each one. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Wrong again toomabru > > This is because you are hung into the realm of > words, and so see the words as the reality. > > So to you if someone merely uses the word " I " > then anything said is delusional???? > > That is SO not the case! > > Take this Nisargadatta quote: > > Love tells me I am everything > Wisdom tells me I am nothing > Between the two my life flows. > > According to what you just wrote that is delusional, yes? > > You need to get outside of words! > > Words are just the spume of true being. > > This is life. > This is being. > This is truth. > > It moves. > > Like the " tracks " in a cloud chamber > used to study atomic particles, > these words are just the tracks of > something so beyond words. > > Bill > If there is something beyond words...'you' will never know it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > o but I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything downstream from the declaration " I " ....is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simply no way around this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Wrong again toomabru > > > > This is because you are hung into the realm of > > words, and so see the words as the reality. > > > > So to you if someone merely uses the word " I " > > then anything said is delusional???? > > > > That is SO not the case! > > > > Take this Nisargadatta quote: > > > > Love tells me I am everything > > Wisdom tells me I am nothing > > Between the two my life flows. > > > > According to what you just wrote that is delusional, yes? > > > > You need to get outside of words! > > > > Words are just the spume of true being. > > > > This is life. > > This is being. > > This is truth. > > > > It moves. > > > > Like the " tracks " in a cloud chamber > > used to study atomic particles, > > these words are just the tracks of > > something so beyond words. > > > > Bill > > > > > > If there is something beyond words...'you' will never know it. > > toombaru > whatever you mean by 'you' only you know... there is so much beyond words... that your words never want to acknowledge. glad it is not my job to show you there is more! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " carnavalito " <shantiprod wrote: > > - > " pete seesaw " <seesaw1us > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:05 PM > Emptiness > > > > Emptiness is not, for example, an Absolute that is > separate > from the world of ordinary experience. In fact, > emptiness > does not refer to a thing; it refers to the way all > things > actually are, namely, empty of the independent way > they > ordinarily seem to exist. To make emptiness into any > entity > about which one can have a view is to make the > fundamental > mistake Nagarjuna is trying to expose, namely, seeing > anything as having a substantial identity. > > As Nagarjuna says: " Those who adhere to a view of > emptiness > are incorrigible " (Mulamadhyamaka-karika, XIII,8). > > On the other hand, the proper realization of > emptiness, for > Nargajuna, brings " prapanca " (meaningful > conceptualization > of the world through use of language, important notion > in > Madyamika Buddhism), and its wrong views to an end. > One sees things as they are in truth. > > 1) In Nargajuna's words: " Beyond conditional > (realization), > quiescent, without conceptualizations by " prapanca " > not > discriminating a variety of meanings, these are > characteristics > (of one who has attained) the truth " > (Mulamadhyamaka-karika, > XVIIL,9). > > 2) With this wisdom insight into emptiness, one's > attachment to > things and the negative mental formations that result > in > unwholesome thoughts, words, and actions are also > brought to > an end. This freedom results in the cessation of dukha > > (suffering) and the attainment of Nirvana. > > 3) In Nargajuna's understanding of this Nirvana, we > find another > important aspect of his philosophy. That is, with > wisdom, one sees > that the ordinary conditioned world of samsaric > bondage is not > apart from unconditioned nirvanic freedom. > > 4) Nargajuna says: " Nothing distinguishes samsara from > > Nirvana; and nothing distinguishes Nirvana from > samsara. > Between even the extremities of samsara and Nirvana, > one > cannot find even a subtle difference " > (Mulamadhyamaka-karika, > XXV,19-20). > > 5) In short, there are not two realities, samsara and > Nirvana. > There is only the " field " of emptiness that is > experienced > through ignorance and unwholesome mental formations as > samsara > or through wisdom as Nirvana. > > 6) When one's experience of the world is conditioned > by > " prapanca " , it is known as samsara, full of dukha. But > when by > wisdom one experiences the ultimate truth that this > same world is > empty of own-being, then one finds Nirvana and > freedom. > > 7) In that freedom, one is attached neither to the > worldly > things nor to the state of Nirvana, which is itself > arising in > the field of emptiness. > > 8) With wisdom's penetration into the ultimate truth > of > emptiness, one is detached from both the world and > Nirvana, so > that one can freely turn with compassion to address > the needs of > all living beings. > > 9) This nondualism between the freedom of Nirvana on > the one > hand and the ordinary world of samsara on the other > brings us to > the Madhyamika doctrine of the Two Truths: the > conventional truth > and the ultimate truth. Nargajuna says: " Those who > don't understand > the distinction between these two truths don't > understand the > profound nature of the Buddha's teaching " > (Mulamadhyamaka-karika, > XXIV,8-9). > > 10) The " conventional truth " (samvrti-satya) is about > the world > as experienced by ordinary perception and the > conceptualizaion > process of " prapanca " . Through this experience, one > knows a number > of conventional truths about the world, such as the > fact that fire > is hot or that something is moving, or that a certain > person is > President of US. > > 11) The " ultimate truth " (paramartha-satya) about > existence is > that all things are empty of own-being, or are > dependently arisen. > This ultimate truth is realized in the attainment of > wisdom which > produces non-attachment and the freedom of Nirvana. > > 12) The goal of Madhyamika is to convince people that > the > conventional truths about things do not give one the > ultimate > truth about existence. > > 13) This ultimate truth does not deny conventional > truths; it > simply reveals the true nature of what one knows at > the conventional > level of truth. Nargajuna says: " Without relying on > convention, > the ultimate truth cannot be expressed. Without > understanding the > ultimate truth, Nirvana cannot be attained. " > (Mulamadhyamaka-karika, XXIV,10). > > 14) In other words, first one understands the things > and processes > of the ordinary world in the conventional way. Then > one gains > wisdom and sees the emptiness of these things and > processes, that > they are what they are because of dependent arising. > Only in this > way can one gain freedom within the dynamic of > existence, Nirvana > in samsara. However, one still experiences > conventional truths > about the world such as fire being hot, things moving > etc. By > the light of the ultimate truth of emptiness, one > re-envisions the > ordinary world so that one is no longer attached to > things in ways > that generate dukha (suffering) for oneself or others. > > 15) Here, we see why Nagarjuna's school is called > Madhyamika, or > the " Middle Way. " It does not reject the mundane world > for Nirvana. > Nagarjuna takes a middle position where > one-re-envisions the mundane > world from the standpoint of Nirvana on the one hand, > while dealing > compassionately with the conditions of samsara on the > other. > > 16) Realizing the emptiness of both samsara and > Nirvana, one is > detached from both samsaric conditions and the > unconditioned status > of Nirvana. Thus, one 's Great journey courses in the > Middle Way, > where one is transformed by the power of the > enlightened vision of > emptiness, non-attached and free, full of compassion, > living for > the benefit of all beings. > So.........these living beings actually exist as separate, distinct entities and need compassion from the aware ones? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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