Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Mental activity is itself duality. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: Mental activity is itself duality. > > > toombaru > " duality " is not a problem. it is like dirt, or air. it just is. the Oneness loves duality and holds it to its heart, a part of Truth just as the oceans, the dolphins, birdsong... just as love and sorrow just as coming and going neverending oneness is neverending but separation that beautiful invention of the Divine was made for Love so that Love could transcend and show its beautiful heart. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mental activity is itself duality. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " duality " is not a problem. > it is like dirt, or air. > it just is. > > the Oneness loves duality > and holds it to its heart, > a part of Truth > > just as the oceans, the dolphins, > birdsong... > > just as love > and sorrow > > just as coming > and going > > neverending oneness is neverending > but separation > that beautiful invention of the Divine > was made for Love > so that Love could transcend > and show its beautiful heart. > > > Bill > That may be true.......or.......perhaps IT just is....with no attributes what so ever....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: Mental activity is itself duality. > > > toombaru > Well, then just stop thinking and don't forget to report back ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mental activity is itself duality. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > " duality " is not a problem. > > it is like dirt, or air. > > it just is. > > > > the Oneness loves duality > > and holds it to its heart, > > a part of Truth > > > > just as the oceans, the dolphins, > > birdsong... > > > > just as love > > and sorrow > > > > just as coming > > and going > > > > neverending oneness is neverending > > but separation > > that beautiful invention of the Divine > > was made for Love > > so that Love could transcend > > and show its beautiful heart. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > That may be true.......or.......perhaps IT just is....with no > attributes what so ever....... > > > toombaru > and/or ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: Mental activity is itself duality. > > > toombaru Mental activity has no such power-- to actually divide or separate. So that statement constitutes an unexamined belief. Question: can the non-conceptual awareness prior to (inseparable from) all phenomena manifest brain activity and imagery, conceptual thinking, breathing and word-sounds? Ken > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mental activity is itself duality. > > > > > > toombaru > > Mental activity has no such power-- to actually divide > or separate. So that statement constitutes an unexamined > belief. I agree... The statement seems to posit that there actually is such a thing as duality. But there is not really any duality, only the *appearance* of such. Perhaps the author's intent was to say that mental activity, by its very nature, entails a (false) belief in duality. But that isn't true either. Mental activity can operate without any presupposition of duality. For example, the mental activity entailed in carrying out the division of 3 into 363 does not necessarily presuppose any notion of duality. > Question: can the non-conceptual awareness prior to > (inseparable from) all phenomena manifest brain activity and > imagery, conceptual thinking, breathing and word-sounds? Awareness is inherently non-conceptual, per my use of that term. And per my view, all phenomena arise from the primordial reservoir that is awareness. But, as I see it, it is not quite correct to say awareness *manifests* all phenomena, because awareness is not a " subject " in the sense of the kind of subject that acts with respect to an object. The appearance of phenomena occurs *within* awareness. Awareness itself is never an *actor*. As for what precipitates the arising of phenomena out of awareness, that I consider a mystery. Such is my view. Bill > Ken > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mental activity is itself duality. > > > > > > toombaru > > Mental activity has no such power-- to actually divide > or separate. So that statement constitutes an unexamined belief. > > Question: can the non-conceptual awareness prior to > (inseparable from) all phenomena manifest brain activity and > imagery, conceptual thinking, breathing and word-sounds? > > Ken > > > > Nothing is inherently anything else, whatever word one might apply to it. Not even words are attached to their meaning. An elephant can be a Kleenex box. Non-attachment can be a contortion. Mind can be instinct or restraint. Freedom can be oppression. You are what you are if you're attached to so being. This is/is not this, not to mention an infinite array of other permutations and synergies. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mental activity is itself duality. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Mental activity has no such power-- to actually divide > > or separate. So that statement constitutes an unexamined belief. > > > > Question: can the non-conceptual awareness prior to > > (inseparable from) all phenomena manifest brain activity and > > imagery, conceptual thinking, breathing and word-sounds? > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > Nothing is inherently anything else, whatever word one might apply to > it. Not even words are attached to their meaning. An elephant can be > a Kleenex box. Non-attachment can be a contortion. Mind can be > instinct or restraint. Freedom can be oppression. > > You are what you are if you're attached to so being. This is/is not > this, not to mention an infinite array of other permutations and > synergies. > > ~*~ > There is no you separate from the attachment. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mental activity is itself duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Mental activity has no such power-- to actually divide > > > or separate. So that statement constitutes an unexamined belief. > > > > > > Question: can the non-conceptual awareness prior to > > > (inseparable from) all phenomena manifest brain activity and > > > imagery, conceptual thinking, breathing and word-sounds? > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is inherently anything else, whatever word one might apply to > > it. Not even words are attached to their meaning. An elephant can be > > a Kleenex box. Non-attachment can be a contortion. Mind can be > > instinct or restraint. Freedom can be oppression. > > > > You are what you are if you're attached to so being. This is/is not > > this, not to mention an infinite array of other permutations and > > synergies. > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > There is no you separate from the attachment. > > > toombaru > That's my point. Succinctly stated! ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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