RE : Emptiness/nondualism that denys dualism is false

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> Nisargadatta , " gdtige "

> <gdtige wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta ,

> " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > For if life is the Guru, the Guru often

> appears

> > > > > in the form of " others " .

> > > > >

> > > > > And if, eventually, those " others " no longer

> really

> > > > > seem to be *other*, if the depth of the

> other and

> > > > > one's own depth are the same, if the love in

> the other

> > > > > and one's own love are the same, if the

> spirit in the

> > > > > other and one's own spirit are the same...

> then

> > > > > perhaps the veil of separation has been

> dropped...

> > > > >

> > > > > But until then, there is so much learning,

> so

> > > > > much growing to be found in opening to the

> challenge

> > > > > presented by " another " .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > > " Hell is other people, " Jean Paul Sartre

> > > >

> > > > Yes, the challenge is what hits you in the

> face, even as one

> > side-

> > > steps.

> > > >

> > > > It can't be avoided.

> > > >

> > > > Advaita talk being used to avoid the challenge

> of this as is,

> > > > including the otherness, is devoid of heart.

> > >

> > > Love what you say about heart here.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I am the world. I am self and other.

> > > >

> > > > This is embraced from before beginning.

> > > >

> > > > And only as this is so, is it true that no

> self nor other ever

> > > existed.

> > > >

> > > > It is here, in the midst of our relating,

> emoting, and day to day

> > > > experiencing - the stillness, the contactless

> true-being.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > yes

> > >

> > > the true stillness is the stillness that obtains

> > > *within the fire*.

> > >

> > > the nondualism that denys dualism is false.

> > >

> > > the nondualism that transcends dualism is true.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > I don`t know why but I feel prompted to add :

> > as long as one wants to gain, obtain,

> > one`s is only going to obtain more time,

> > more suffering, more karma.

> >

> > Patricia

> > >

> >

>

>

> Yes, I have pondered that paradox myself. At what

> point is one

> seeking, at what point giving up the search, at what

> point giving up

> the search in order to proceed with the search, but

> from another

> angle? Only poets and Jesuits would attempt an

> answer.

>

> But for me, it is very clearly a question of What I

> want to gain. Is

> it an object, an objective, a spirit or a permanent

> state? Again,

> these terms are open for debate. But my answer has

> always been,

> dedication to a particular process I would call

> thriving, for the

> moment, a panoply of other names for my journal.

>

> I find that I do, indeed, become what I focus on.

> My focus on being

> freedom yields freedom, love yields love,

> witnessing, witnessing. For

> me, mantras do, have, and continue to, work.

>

> Sorry, but no paradox here. Although I do believe

> paradox does have

> it's crucial place in this realm. Where to find it,

> well, that might

> have to be, itself, a paradoxical.

>

> warmth

> ~*~

 

Paradoxes use to drive me very mad.

Then, in them, I started to perceive the reflection of

what I am attracted to:

Playing, lulling me about, in their wake.

Making me come closer only to whisper : this isn`t it

yet, you know it, don`t you?

Each time I realize that it isn`t it yet, the path

narrows down.

What matters here is my yielding but also the fact

that their is a more subtle attunement to what I love

: to who I am.

I know that I will not find it, yet I stay

on...listening..walking..sharing..

Makes sense?

Most likely not.

 

A little white cloud of tenderness for that big open

sky.

 

Patricia

 

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