RE : Emptiness/nondualism that denys dualism is false

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

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> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > --- skywhilds <skywords@> a écrit :

> > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " gdtige "

> > > > <gdtige@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > > > <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > > > " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For if life is the Guru, the Guru often

> > > > appears

> > > > > > > > in the form of " others " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And if, eventually, those " others " no longer

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > seem to be *other*, if the depth of the

> > > > other and

> > > > > > > > one's own depth are the same, if the love in

> > > > the other

> > > > > > > > and one's own love are the same, if the

> > > > spirit in the

> > > > > > > > other and one's own spirit are the same...

> > > > then

> > > > > > > > perhaps the veil of separation has been

> > > > dropped...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But until then, there is so much learning,

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > much growing to be found in opening to the

> > > > challenge

> > > > > > > > presented by " another " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Hell is other people, " Jean Paul Sartre

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, the challenge is what hits you in the

> > > > face, even as one

> > > > > side-

> > > > > > steps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It can't be avoided.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Advaita talk being used to avoid the challenge

> > > > of this as is,

> > > > > > > including the otherness, is devoid of heart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love what you say about heart here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the world. I am self and other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is embraced from before beginning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And only as this is so, is it true that no

> > > > self nor other ever

> > > > > > existed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is here, in the midst of our relating,

> > > > emoting, and day to day

> > > > > > > experiencing - the stillness, the contactless

> > > > true-being.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the true stillness is the stillness that obtains

> > > > > > *within the fire*.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the nondualism that denys dualism is false.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the nondualism that transcends dualism is true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don`t know why but I feel prompted to add :

> > > > > as long as one wants to gain, obtain,

> > > > > one`s is only going to obtain more time,

> > > > > more suffering, more karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I have pondered that paradox myself. At what

> > > > point is one

> > > > seeking, at what point giving up the search, at what

> > > > point giving up

> > > > the search in order to proceed with the search, but

> > > > from another

> > > > angle? Only poets and Jesuits would attempt an

> > > > answer.

> > > >

> > > > But for me, it is very clearly a question of What I

> > > > want to gain. Is

> > > > it an object, an objective, a spirit or a permanent

> > > > state? Again,

> > > > these terms are open for debate. But my answer has

> > > > always been,

> > > > dedication to a particular process I would call

> > > > thriving, for the

> > > > moment, a panoply of other names for my journal.

> > > >

> > > > I find that I do, indeed, become what I focus on.

> > > > My focus on being

> > > > freedom yields freedom, love yields love,

> > > > witnessing, witnessing. For

> > > > me, mantras do, have, and continue to, work.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry, but no paradox here. Although I do believe

> > > > paradox does have

> > > > it's crucial place in this realm. Where to find it,

> > > > well, that might

> > > > have to be, itself, a paradoxical.

> > > >

> > > > warmth

> > > > ~*~

> > >

> > > Paradoxes use to drive me very mad.

> > > Then, in them, I started to perceive the reflection of

> > > what I am attracted to:

> > > Playing, lulling me about, in their wake.

> > > Making me come closer only to whisper : this isn`t it

> > > yet, you know it, don`t you?

> > > Each time I realize that it isn`t it yet, the path

> > > narrows down.

> > > What matters here is my yielding but also the fact

> > > that their is a more subtle attunement to what I love

> > > : to who I am.

> > > I know that I will not find it, yet I stay

> > > on...listening..walking..sharing..

> > > Makes sense?

> > > Most likely not.

> > >

> > > A little white cloud of tenderness for that big open

> > > sky.

> > >

> > > Patricia

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > Thank you, the foreground and the background are one in radiance and

> > harmony.

> >

> > Makes total sense in as much as I feel I recognize it unambiguously in

> > myself.

> >

> > This may sound pretty cheap, but have you ever told yourself, neither

> > " will I find it? " , nor " I won't find it, " but, literally and

> > repeatedly, " I am It " ? I mean, you know you are, so why not commit to

> > burgeoning as it? Right now?

> >

> > Just asking.

> >

> > Beaming

> > Humbly

> > With

> > It

> > ~*~

>

> Yo! Bro!

>

> thazit!

>

> and maybe that is what you mean by " choosing " ...

>

> the step into the center of that cyclone

>

> and saying YES! to it all

>

 

 

 

 

Yeah, because " choosing " is the experience of freedom, right? And

that experience of freedom is like flight, like being above it all,

like perfect perspective. And that IS what " you " are, we are, etc.

 

When you say,

 

" and so then, what is interesting -- from my view -- is to

dissolve focus altogether... let focus get totally soft and to

totally expand... so that focus encompasses all there is.

And so the observer, the witness is as a melted goo folded back

into the batter of Life. The witness has lost its distinction

as witness because focus is no longer defining a 'that' vs. 'this'.

 

In other words, I love to let the witness dissolve through its

own process of witnessing... back into the murky primal beginnings

from which it arose.

 

When I was quite young and had a chance to play with a TV camera

I found delight in pointing the camera into the monitor. Much fun!

I love to loop things back into themselves so that they undergo

wierd, crazy fusions. I like to break the rules, undercut the ground,

push the system to a kind of melt-down. "

 

Who or what is it that has all that perspective and clarity? It's the

uber or super or higher witness, the one you really are. The one that

experienced no melt-down at all, could see it quite clearly.

 

Right?

 

~*~