RE : Emptiness/nondualism that denys dualism is false

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

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>

> --- skywhilds <skywords a écrit :

>

> > Nisargadatta , " gdtige "

> > <gdtige@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > For if life is the Guru, the Guru often

> > appears

> > > > > > in the form of " others " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And if, eventually, those " others " no longer

> > really

> > > > > > seem to be *other*, if the depth of the

> > other and

> > > > > > one's own depth are the same, if the love in

> > the other

> > > > > > and one's own love are the same, if the

> > spirit in the

> > > > > > other and one's own spirit are the same...

> > then

> > > > > > perhaps the veil of separation has been

> > dropped...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But until then, there is so much learning,

> > so

> > > > > > much growing to be found in opening to the

> > challenge

> > > > > > presented by " another " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > " Hell is other people, " Jean Paul Sartre

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, the challenge is what hits you in the

> > face, even as one

> > > side-

> > > > steps.

> > > > >

> > > > > It can't be avoided.

> > > > >

> > > > > Advaita talk being used to avoid the challenge

> > of this as is,

> > > > > including the otherness, is devoid of heart.

> > > >

> > > > Love what you say about heart here.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the world. I am self and other.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is embraced from before beginning.

> > > > >

> > > > > And only as this is so, is it true that no

> > self nor other ever

> > > > existed.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is here, in the midst of our relating,

> > emoting, and day to day

> > > > > experiencing - the stillness, the contactless

> > true-being.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > yes

> > > >

> > > > the true stillness is the stillness that obtains

> > > > *within the fire*.

> > > >

> > > > the nondualism that denys dualism is false.

> > > >

> > > > the nondualism that transcends dualism is true.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > > I don`t know why but I feel prompted to add :

> > > as long as one wants to gain, obtain,

> > > one`s is only going to obtain more time,

> > > more suffering, more karma.

> > >

> > > Patricia

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Yes, I have pondered that paradox myself. At what

> > point is one

> > seeking, at what point giving up the search, at what

> > point giving up

> > the search in order to proceed with the search, but

> > from another

> > angle? Only poets and Jesuits would attempt an

> > answer.

> >

> > But for me, it is very clearly a question of What I

> > want to gain. Is

> > it an object, an objective, a spirit or a permanent

> > state? Again,

> > these terms are open for debate. But my answer has

> > always been,

> > dedication to a particular process I would call

> > thriving, for the

> > moment, a panoply of other names for my journal.

> >

> > I find that I do, indeed, become what I focus on.

> > My focus on being

> > freedom yields freedom, love yields love,

> > witnessing, witnessing. For

> > me, mantras do, have, and continue to, work.

> >

> > Sorry, but no paradox here. Although I do believe

> > paradox does have

> > it's crucial place in this realm. Where to find it,

> > well, that might

> > have to be, itself, a paradoxical.

> >

> > warmth

> > ~*~

>

> Paradoxes use to drive me very mad.

> Then, in them, I started to perceive the reflection of

> what I am attracted to:

> Playing, lulling me about, in their wake.

> Making me come closer only to whisper : this isn`t it

> yet, you know it, don`t you?

> Each time I realize that it isn`t it yet, the path

> narrows down.

> What matters here is my yielding but also the fact

> that their is a more subtle attunement to what I love

> : to who I am.

> I know that I will not find it, yet I stay

> on...listening..walking..sharing..

> Makes sense?

> Most likely not.

>

> A little white cloud of tenderness for that big open

> sky.

>

> Patricia

>

> >

> >

Thank you, the foreground and the background are one in radiance and

harmony.

 

Makes total sense in as much as I feel I recognize it unambiguously in

myself.

 

This may sound pretty cheap, but have you ever told yourself, neither

" will I find it? " , nor " I won't find it, " but, literally and

repeatedly, " I am It " ? I mean, you know you are, so why not commit to

burgeoning as it? Right now?

 

Just asking.

 

Beaming

Humbly

With

It

~*~