Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > >>> > >>>like an empty mirror > >>>a calm sea > >>>a blue sky > >>> > >>>peace begins with me. > >>> > >>>Ana > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > >> > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > toombaru L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, skywords writes: > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >lastrain writes: > > > >>>>> > >>>>>like an empty mirror > >>>>>a calm sea > >>>>>a blue sky > >>>>> > >>>>>peace begins with me. > >>>>> > >>>>>Ana > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > >>> > >> > >>The me and the war arise concurrently. > >> > >>toombaru > > > >L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > >have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > " me? " Or is > >being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > ~*~ > > L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are also at war > and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do you agree? Of course, he > may be wrong. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > >>> > > >>>like an empty mirror > > >>>a calm sea > > >>>a blue sky > > >>> > > >>>peace begins with me. > > >>> > > >>>Ana > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > >> > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > toombaru > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a " me? " Or is > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > >>> > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > >>>a calm sea > > > >>>a blue sky > > > >>> > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > >>> > > > >>>Ana > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > " me? " Or is > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > ~*~ > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival mechanism. Proving once and for all, there is separation. .....And only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means to be separate and not, if we so choose to. n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > >>> > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Ana > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > " me? " Or is > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > ~*~ > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival mechanism. > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > ....And > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means to > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a conceit, to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't know why you'd say that. Why do you? ;-) ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > skywords writes: > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >lastrain@ writes: > > > > > >>>>> > > >>>>>like an empty mirror > > >>>>>a calm sea > > >>>>>a blue sky > > >>>>> > > >>>>>peace begins with me. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Ana > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > >>> > > >> > > >>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > >> > > >>toombaru > > > > > >L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > >have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > " me? " Or is > > >being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > ~*~ > > > > L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are also at war > > and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do you agree? Of course, he > > may be wrong. > > > > > > > > > War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Ana > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > " me? " Or is > > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival mechanism. > > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > > > ....And > > > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means to > > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > > > > > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other > creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a conceit, > to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from > other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't know why > you'd say that. Why do you? > > ;-) > > ~*~ > I know 'nothing' about other creatures, including 'you'; however I do know how humans 'create' separation and lend to it justification to do our doing, both good and 'bad'. This is the very essence of survival mechanisms. It is an inherent and intrinsic human trait. But as far as I know who knows, perhaps the monkey world is evolving a humanity (as shown by Koko and her amazing empathy and 'love', and humans are evolving to 'god knows where, god knows why, and who knows God:-) Make any sense, this non-sense of mouthing words across computer screens? WHY? Just because, we are. Just because we are One split into Two and forever are trying to reunite in every peculiar and particular way. Even war is proof of that. How? Survival. Who survives? The One who is alive. And we here on these lists are doing the same thing, we expand, expound, compound and fracture everything within our meager and minute power to prove that we ARE. Everything is a modification of that. Until the dust settles. ;-) So what remains? What makes sense? What gives credence to the act of Life and living in this Noah's ark? Love, my friend. Only love and our tiny viewpoint and one sweet day, when we have reached the silence of the sun, moon and stars, a child will point and ask what is that shining in the sky? And we are blessed, Tiny Tim, each and every one. Hugs, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>Ana > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human > without a > > > > " me? " Or is > > > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of > the > > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival > mechanism. > > > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > > > > > ....And > > > > > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means > to > > > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > > > > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > > > > > > > > > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other > > creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a > conceit, > > to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from > > other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't know > why > > you'd say that. Why do you? > > > > ;-) > > > > ~*~ > > > > I know 'nothing' about other creatures, including 'you'; however I > do know how humans 'create' separation and lend to it justification > to do our doing, both good and 'bad'. This is the very essence of > survival mechanisms. > > It is an inherent and intrinsic human trait. But as far as I know > who knows, perhaps the monkey world is evolving a humanity (as shown > by Koko and her amazing empathy and 'love', and humans are evolving > to 'god knows where, god knows why, and who knows God:-) > > Make any sense, this non-sense of mouthing words across computer > screens? WHY? > > Just because, we are. Just because we are One split into Two and > forever are trying to reunite in every peculiar and particular way. > Even war is proof of that. How? Survival. Who survives? The One > who is alive. And we here on these lists are doing the same thing, > we expand, expound, compound and fracture everything within our > meager and minute power to prove that we ARE. > > Everything is a modification of that. Until the dust settles. ;-) > > So what remains? What makes sense? What gives credence to the act > of Life and living in this Noah's ark? Love, my friend. Only love > and our tiny viewpoint and one sweet day, when we have reached the > silence of the sun, moon and stars, a child will point and ask what > is that shining in the sky? > > And we are blessed, Tiny Tim, each and every one. > > Hugs, > Ana > Yea. " What fools these mortals be, " ~ Puck, " Midsummer Night's Dream. " It's all such lovable folly. In my folly, I've never loved anything but fools and folly. Have you? May we witness witlessness wittingly, compassionately. any body's fool ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > >>> > > >>>like an empty mirror > > >>>a calm sea > > >>>a blue sky > > >>> > > >>>peace begins with me. > > >>> > > >>>Ana > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > >> > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > toombaru > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a " me? " Or is > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > The sense of a separate self is a conceptual construct unique to humans. Once that is seen....a non-conceptual naturalness breaks through and the 'meness' becomes translucent. It is still there....but functions in an impersonal manner. ..............and where it used to be the dominant force.........comes the most unspeakable ....familiar comfortableness. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Ana > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > " me? " Or is > > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival mechanism. > > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > > > ....And > > > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means to > > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > > > > > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other > creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a conceit, > to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from > other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't know why > you'd say that. Why do you? > > ;-) > > ~*~ > A far more profound conceit is the belief that it is you who dispenses the cruelty. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > skywords@ writes: > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > >lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>like an empty mirror > > > >>>>>a calm sea > > > >>>>>a blue sky > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>peace begins with me. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>Ana > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > >> > > > >>toombaru > > > > > > > >L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > >have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > " me? " Or is > > > >being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > also at war > > > and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do you agree? > Of course, he > > > may be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > ~*~ > A point of view concerning the conceptual world is useless. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>Ana > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > > " me? " Or is > > > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival mechanism. > > > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > > > > > ....And > > > > > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means to > > > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > > > > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > > > > > > > > > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other > > creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a conceit, > > to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from > > other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't know why > > you'd say that. Why do you? > > > > ;-) > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > A far more profound conceit is the belief that it is you who dispenses > the cruelty. > > > > toombaru > I never expected you to admit that my conceit is more profound than yours! :-)) ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > >lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>like an empty mirror > > > > >>>>>a calm sea > > > > >>>>>a blue sky > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>peace begins with me. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>Ana > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > >> > > > > >>toombaru > > > > > > > > > >L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > >have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > > " me? " Or is > > > > >being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > > also at war > > > > and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do you agree? > > Of course, he > > > > may be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > > > ~*~ > > > > > A point of view concerning the conceptual world is useless. > > > toombaru > Usefulness is " an even more profound " uselessness! (Tooman, you'se getting teddy I/Us.) :-)) ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Ana > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > > > " me? " Or is > > > > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival mechanism. > > > > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > > > > > > > ....And > > > > > > > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it means to > > > > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > > > > > > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other > > > creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a conceit, > > > to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from > > > other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't know why > > > you'd say that. Why do you? > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > A far more profound conceit is the belief that it is you who dispenses > > the cruelty. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I never expected you to admit that my conceit is more profound than yours! > > :-)) > > ~*~ > You are responding to the man.....and not to the idea. There was never a reference to 'your' conceit. It was a pointing to the conceit of all identified entities. Defend your illusion of self as you will....but keep in mind...there is a far more expansive opportunity. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>like an empty mirror > > > > > > > > >>>a calm sea > > > > > > > > >>>a blue sky > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>peace begins with me. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>Ana > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > > > > have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human > without a > > > > > > " me? " Or is > > > > > > > being human and the sense of " me " intrincially tied together? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > > > > > difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, every living creature as a built-in survival > mechanism. > > > > > Proving once and for all, there is separation. > > > > > > > > > > ....And > > > > > > > > > > only humans have a built-in conscious awareness of what it > means to > > > > > be separate and not, if we so choose to. > > > > > > > > > > n'est pas? or is it n'est ce pas? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I prefer 'n'est ce pas,' myself. But how do you know what other > > > > creatures have or don't have, subjectively? Seems a bit of a > conceit, > > > > to me. It justifies our cruelty and our aloofness, not just from > > > > other sentient beings, but from ourselves. But then, I don't > know why > > > > you'd say that. Why do you? > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A far more profound conceit is the belief that it is you who dispenses > > > the cruelty. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > I never expected you to admit that my conceit is more profound than > yours! > > > > :-)) > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > You are responding to the man.....and not to the idea. > > > There was never a reference to 'your' conceit. > > > It was a pointing to the conceit of all identified entities. > > Defend your illusion of self as you will....but keep in mind...there > is a far more expansive opportunity. > > > toombaru > You are responding to the letter.....and not to the spirit. Defend your illusion of seriousness as you will....but keep in mind...there is a far more expansive levity. :-)) ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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