Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 it's better to dream about peace than about war Marc Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > Marc > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " sung and written by a man who was killed for nothing... Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > Marc > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > Dream is dream, ther is no difference in dream wherther peace or war. ~SANJAY KAPADIA RAJKOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Hey, Marc, What happened to you, are you ok ? On prozac, or on any other happy-pill ? Trying to get your final break-through into absolute positivism or did you fall in love with a New Age girl and you invited her to read you posts here ? Or are you lately just hooked on Reader's Digest ? Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > Marc > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " studentsanjay " <studentsanjay wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > Dream is dream, ther is no difference in dream wherther peace or war. > ~SANJAY KAPADIA RAJKOT Where can dream arise from, other than reality? There is no dream apart from reality, no delusion apart from truth, no ignorance apart from " what is so. " If you know this as is, there is no separable dreamer from dream, and no separation of dream from truth (what is). Knowing/being this as is -- what basis could there be for war? No one is outside, there is no outside, no one is other than who you are. If you don't know this, you exist as a creature apart, with your own separated experience of your own, seeking to have yourself for yourself -- which can never be done. And so your very attempt to have an existence is war -- no matter how much you proclaim your love of peace. Once you are clear on what can't be done, what is always so is immediately obvious. If you keep fooling yourself by seeking to hold yourself, what is so will not be obvious, because you won't allow the obvious to be clear. This is the story of the human race, trying to live with its awareness fixated in the rear-view mirror (of the memory-self), deluded into separation by the very attempt to have an existence. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " studentsanjay " > <studentsanjay@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > > > Dream is dream, ther is no difference in dream wherther peace or war. > > ~SANJAY KAPADIA RAJKOT > > Where can dream arise from, other than reality? > > There is no dream apart from reality, no delusion apart from truth, no > ignorance apart from " what is so. " > > If you know this as is, there is no separable dreamer from dream, and > no separation of dream from truth (what is). Knowing/being this as is > -- what basis could there be for war? No one is outside, there is no > outside, no one is other than who you are. > > If you don't know this, you exist as a creature apart, with your own > separated experience of your own, seeking to have yourself for > yourself -- which can never be done. And so your very attempt to have > an existence is war -- no matter how much you proclaim your love of peace. > > Once you are clear on what can't be done, what is always so is > immediately obvious. > > If you keep fooling yourself by seeking to hold yourself, what is so > will not be obvious, because you won't allow the obvious to be clear. > > This is the story of the human race, trying to live with its awareness > fixated in the rear-view mirror (of the memory-self), deluded into > separation by the very attempt to have an existence. > > -- Dan > And yet......even that .........is. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " studentsanjay " > <studentsanjay@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > > > Dream is dream, ther is no difference in dream wherther peace or war. > > ~SANJAY KAPADIA RAJKOT > > Where can dream arise from, other than reality? > > There is no dream apart from reality, no delusion apart from truth, no > ignorance apart from " what is so. " > > If you know this as is, there is no separable dreamer from dream, and > no separation of dream from truth (what is). Knowing/being this as is > -- what basis could there be for war? No one is outside, there is no > outside, no one is other than who you are. > > If you don't know this, you exist as a creature apart, with your own > separated experience of your own, seeking to have yourself for > yourself -- which can never be done. And so your very attempt to have > an existence is war -- no matter how much you proclaim your love of peace. > > Once you are clear on what can't be done, what is always so is > immediately obvious. > > If you keep fooling yourself by seeking to hold yourself, what is so > will not be obvious, because you won't allow the obvious to be clear. > > This is the story of the human race, trying to live with its awareness > fixated in the rear-view mirror (of the memory-self), deluded into > separation by the very attempt to have an existence. > > -- Dan > when free obvious that nothing ever changes Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > Marc > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " Spoken, said and sung by a man who was killed for nothing... Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Hey, Marc, > > What happened to you, are you ok ? > > On prozac, or on any other happy-pill ? Trying to get your final > break-through into absolute positivism or did you fall in love with a > New Age girl and you invited her to read you posts here ? > > Or are you lately just hooked on Reader's Digest ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > I think I sent a reply, noting that the above p.s. was part of " Imagine " by John Lennon. And he certainly was killed and died for 'nothing'. Killed by Mark David Chapman. Everyone agreed to his mental state of being 'insane' at the time. So.. When is killing not 'insane'? Perhaps in the act of protecting our families, our ideals, our lives? And how far can we travel to protect and serve? To any and every land? And who are we serving in this ultimate act of protection? Is it self-serving? Is killing to protect ever an act that is not self-serving? Imho, every act is self-serving. And dying for a 'cause'... What causes us to be willing to die for a cause? Love of brother and sister, mother and father, daughter and son, soldier, friend? Ideals? Beliefs? Is it self-serving Love? Sure it is. When there is only One of us here. The answer and the question is always who knows this. And who knows this will always be willing to die for 'love'. Existence. Life. There's more I want to say about my frustration with us, non- dualists who prattle endlessly in words of words on lists and make no amendments in our lives, our communities and towards making the world truly a place in time, right now " nothing to kill or die for " . If " you " know what I mean. I, too, have not often gone out on a limb. It's time to learn how to live together. Indeed it is self-serving; perhaps the future of humanity is in our hands right now. Love and Peace, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > Spoken, said and sung by a man who was killed for nothing... > > Ana > " nothing's gonna change my world... " (john lennon " across the universe " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > > > > Spoken, said and sung by a man who was killed for nothing... > > > > Ana > > > > > > " nothing's gonna change my world... " (john lennon " across the universe " ) > " and I got plenty of nothing, and nothings plenty for me. " (gershwin.heyward sung by Sinatra) p.s. Across the Universe is my all-time favourite song I imagine;-) Bows to all across the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " studentsanjay " <studentsanjay wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > Dream is dream, ther is no difference in dream wherther peace or war. > ~SANJAY KAPADIA RAJKOT yes....true maybe it's more difficult during war to have peaceful dreams.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > hey Werner, i'm fine thanks.... it become more and more difficult to write many posts.... there is nothing realy to write about peace..... how are you?......having some great fun still....sometimes....in here?..... Marc > Hey, Marc, > > What happened to you, are you ok ? > > On prozac, or on any other happy-pill ? Trying to get your final > break-through into absolute positivism or did you fall in love with a > New Age girl and you invited her to read you posts here ? > > Or are you lately just hooked on Reader's Digest ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > sung and written by a man who was killed for nothing... > > > Love, > Ana yes..... the one who want to kill " dreams " ....is like the one who want to be awake during sleep Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " > <dannyc_1eyeluv@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's better to dream about peace than about war > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: " ...there is nothing to kill or die for... " > > > > > > > > > Spoken, said and sung by a man who was killed for nothing... > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > " nothing's gonna change my world... " (john lennon " across the > universe " ) > > > > > > > " and I got plenty of nothing, and nothings plenty for me. " > (gershwin.heyward sung by Sinatra) > > p.s. Across the Universe is my all-time favourite song I imagine;-) > > Bows to all across the universe. > " happiness is a warm gun, mama " ( " mother, u had me, but, i never had u " ) dear ana bebe: " whatever gets u thru the nite... alright " dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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