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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > but only one reality > don't like the word " reality " there... because it is a noun and What Is is really a process it is very dynamic it is not " something " ... see what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > because it is a noun > and What Is > is really a process > it is very dynamic > it is not " something " ... > > see what I mean? What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process it is also not dynamic..... the " reality " is always the same..... like there is only one " here and now " .... only one " now " .... only one " peace " .... the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would be....Neti Neti Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > because it is a noun > > and What Is > > is really a process > > it is very dynamic > > it is not " something " ... > > > > see what I mean? > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > it is also not dynamic..... > > the " reality " is always the same..... > like there is only one " here and now " .... > only one " now " .... > only one " peace " .... > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would be....Neti > Neti > > > > Marc > then the reality you describe seems to be the absence of any *particular* reality. but if its nature is absence, then its number should be none, not one, yes? in other words, it seems misleading, given what you say above, to say there is only one reality. why do you say there is a reality at all? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > because it is a noun > > > and What Is > > > is really a process > > > it is very dynamic > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > only one " now " .... > > only one " peace " .... > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would be....Neti > > Neti > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > but if its nature is absence, > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > what you say above, to say there is only one > reality. why do you say there is a reality > at all? > > Bill .....however you " see " reality..... reality make the difference to dreams... it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your called " One " ..... don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all this mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... so far what i can write and tell you...... sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > because it is a noun > > > > and What Is > > > > is really a process > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > only one " now " .... > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > be....Neti > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > at all? > > > > Bill > > ....however you " see " reality..... > reality make the difference to dreams... > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > called " One " ..... > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all this > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > Marc > > > there, see it flying away right now your heart, bleeding with Is, a separate reality lost in Soul with nothing to hide from or in, My Love. Ana have a great day and hugs to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > > because it is a noun > > > > > and What Is > > > > > is really a process > > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > > only one " now " .... > > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) > > > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > > be....Neti > > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > > at all? > > > > > > Bill > > > > ....however you " see " reality..... > > reality make the difference to dreams... > > > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > > called " One " ..... > > > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all this > > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > there, see it flying away right now > your heart, > bleeding with Is, > a separate reality > lost in Soul > with nothing to hide from > or in, > > My Love. > > > Ana > > have a great day and hugs to all. there is no " seperate " reality..... except in the mind of dreaming ego-minds.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > > because it is a noun > > > > > and What Is > > > > > is really a process > > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > > only one " now " .... > > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) > > > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > > be....Neti > > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > > at all? > > > > > > Bill > > > > ....however you " see " reality..... > > reality make the difference to dreams... > > > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > > called " One " ..... > > > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all this > > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > there, see it flying away right now > your heart, > bleeding with Is, > a separate reality > lost in Soul > with nothing to hide from > or in, > > My Love. > > > Ana > > have a great day and hugs to all. > It seems that you see what I am in essence getting at: The notion of a *the* reality is a myth... sincerely held and with some measure of truth to it... *in a sense*... but what is missed is that the kiss of *this* moment is the preciousness of Now. So many seem to want to deny that kiss, to feel that if there is any *taste* then it is illusion, etc. Truth is not absence of experience, it is not a numbness. It is a small philosophy that declares that any experience of any sense at all is illusion. That is a very simple idea. A powerful idea. But not the whole truth. Bill PS: I await the fusillades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > > > because it is a noun > > > > > > and What Is > > > > > > is really a process > > > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > > > only one " now " .... > > > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another dream) > > > > > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > > > be....Neti > > > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > > > at all? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > ....however you " see " reality..... > > > reality make the difference to dreams... > > > > > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > > > called " One " ..... > > > > > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all this > > > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > > > > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > > > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > there, see it flying away right now > > your heart, > > bleeding with Is, > > a separate reality > > lost in Soul > > with nothing to hide from > > or in, > > > > My Love. > > > > > > Ana > > > > have a great day and hugs to all. > > > there is no " seperate " reality..... > except in the mind of dreaming ego-minds.... > > > > Marc > > > Mais oui, the soul *is* the separate reality, lost in what *Is*, dreaming separately. And then one day wakes up, and now there is only dreaming of/in/as One reality, lost in the Bliss of Is. Yours In Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > > > > because it is a noun > > > > > > > and What Is > > > > > > > is really a process > > > > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > > > > only one " now " .... > > > > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another > dream) > > > > > > > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > > > > be....Neti > > > > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > > > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > > > > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > > > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > > > > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > > > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > > > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > > > > at all? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ....however you " see " reality..... > > > > reality make the difference to dreams... > > > > > > > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > > > > called " One " ..... > > > > > > > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all > this > > > > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > > > > > > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > > > > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there, see it flying away right now > > > your heart, > > > bleeding with Is, > > > a separate reality > > > lost in Soul > > > with nothing to hide from > > > or in, > > > > > > My Love. > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > have a great day and hugs to all. > > > > > > there is no " seperate " reality..... > > except in the mind of dreaming ego-minds.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Mais oui, > > the soul *is* the separate reality, lost in what *Is*, > dreaming separately. And then one day wakes up, > and now there is only dreaming of/in/as One reality, > lost in the Bliss of Is. > > Yours In Love, > Ana > lucid apt and true Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > > > > because it is a noun > > > > > > > and What Is > > > > > > > is really a process > > > > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > > > > only one " now " .... > > > > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another > dream) > > > > > > > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > > > > be....Neti > > > > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > > > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > > > > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > > > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > > > > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > > > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > > > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > > > > at all? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ....however you " see " reality..... > > > > reality make the difference to dreams... > > > > > > > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > > > > called " One " ..... > > > > > > > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all > this > > > > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > > > > > > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > > > > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there, see it flying away right now > > > your heart, > > > bleeding with Is, > > > a separate reality > > > lost in Soul > > > with nothing to hide from > > > or in, > > > > > > My Love. > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > have a great day and hugs to all. > > > > > > there is no " seperate " reality..... > > except in the mind of dreaming ego-minds.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Mais oui, > > the soul *is* the separate reality, lost in what *Is*, > dreaming separately. And then one day wakes up, > and now there is only dreaming of/in/as One reality, > lost in the Bliss of Is. > > Yours In Love, > Ana yes....oui, oui.... one more exception.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only one reality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't like the word " reality " there... > > > > > > > because it is a noun > > > > > > > and What Is > > > > > > > is really a process > > > > > > > it is very dynamic > > > > > > > it is not " something " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Is......i my eyes.....is not a process > > > > > > it is also not dynamic..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the " reality " is always the same..... > > > > > > like there is only one " here and now " .... > > > > > > only one " now " .... > > > > > > only one " peace " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > the reality is neither the dream during sleep....nor this > > > > > > consciousness in which words are exchanged (in another > dream) > > > > > > > > > > > > reality is not " something " ....agree with it.... > > > > > > > > > > > > whatver could describe the reality.....the answer would > > > > be....Neti > > > > > > Neti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the reality you describe seems to be > > > > > the absence of any *particular* reality. > > > > > > > > > > but if its nature is absence, > > > > > then its number should be none, not one, yes? > > > > > > > > > > in other words, it seems misleading, given > > > > > what you say above, to say there is only one > > > > > reality. why do you say there is a reality > > > > > at all? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ....however you " see " reality..... > > > > reality make the difference to dreams... > > > > > > > > it seem that you want to mix up " all " within this your > > > > called " One " ..... > > > > > > > > don't agree in the " excuses " ...that " What Is " ....include all > this > > > > mind-fantasies here.....written....daily.... > > > > > > > > so far what i can write and tell you...... > > > > sorry if my words don't give you any satisfaction.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there, see it flying away right now > > > your heart, > > > bleeding with Is, > > > a separate reality > > > lost in Soul > > > with nothing to hide from > > > or in, > > > > > > My Love. > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > have a great day and hugs to all. > > > > > > there is no " seperate " reality..... > > except in the mind of dreaming ego-minds.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Mais oui, > > the soul *is* the separate reality, lost in what *Is*, > dreaming separately. And then one day wakes up, > and now there is only dreaming of/in/as One reality, > lost in the Bliss of Is. > > Yours In Love, > Ana > Ana, I look forward to reading your posts. They're delicate, passionate, fleeting, indirect. Incomplete, abiding, " more than " because " less than. " Not like this. But I'm moving beyond evaluation Or under evaluation Or before Or ~*~ ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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