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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> could you say that...???

> personal love is when there is focusing on the object...(ego-duality)

> and impersonal love is when there is no focusing at all...(just being)

> ...iietsa

 

works for me...

 

 

what you call impersonal love there is also unconditional love...

 

 

focusing entails defining an arbitrary boundary in the

" perceptual space " ... hence by nature it is dual.

 

Bill

 

PS: a tricky little wrinkle here is that there can still

be " focusing " going on within " natural mind " or completely

open attention. For example, even with completely open

attention there can be a focus to get a sliver out of one's

finger. Because such focus is a " subprocess " of the open

attention the overall process is still fundamentally open.

I haven't found the words to speak to this clearly yet

(which I assume is obvious!)...

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > it seems thou there are differences in attention...

> > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the

object...

> > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt

own

> > any value to enjoy...

> > can you say something about this ?

> > ...iietsa

>

> yes...

>

> something along similar lines has occurred to me.

>

> there is attention with no focusing at all...

> as in the Krishnamurti quote:

> " Have you ever sat very silently, not with your

> attention fixed on anything, not making an effort to

> concentrate, but with the mind very quiet, really

> still? Then you hear everything, don't you? You hear

> the far off noises as well as those that are nearer and

> those that are very close by, the immediate

> sounds—which means really that you are listening to

> everything. Your mind is not confined to one narrow

> little channel. If you can listen in this way, listen

> with ease, without strain, you will find an

> extraordinary change taking place within you, a change

> which comes without your volition, without your asking;

> and in that change there is great beauty and depth of

> insight. "

>

> The ordinary notion of attention would seem to imply

> focusing involved, but that is not the case.

>

> The *creation of an object* (the object exists only

> as per the perceptual process) is due to focusing.

> Attention that is " open " (as in the K quote) does

> not contemplate/define an object.

>

> Bill

>

 

 

I am is absorbed in the heart...

What Is remains as That I Am This. Love.

 

Non-duality is the state of Being.

Open to all the experiences of 'being human'

including the unknown, unborn silent and non-conceptual

Buddha-Mind.

 

" It " appears as appearing Reality in a multi-dimensional

Being-ness, here now in/as/of This....Is....

 

Let us truly enjoy our being-ness, the gift and mystery of Life/

Love,unasked for, given freely and without beginning or ending.

 

Feel the vibration...;-)

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > could you say that...???

> > personal love is when there is focusing on the object...(ego-duality)

> > and impersonal love is when there is no focusing at all...(just

> being)

> > ...iietsa

> >

> all we can do is focusing-buisness...!!!

> but if we dont do this focusing-buisness...???

> ...iietsa

>

 

 

We are the focusing.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > it seems thou there are differences in attention...

> > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the

object...

> > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt

own

> > > any value to enjoy...

> > > can you say something about this ?

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> >

> > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining....

> > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also

> > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy....

> >

> > there is the joy of being....

> >

> > nothing else

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

>

> The joy of being is your problem.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

so wish you to enjoy the dream......to read some other words....

which don't confuse the little ego-mind....restless

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > it seems thou there are differences in attention...

> > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the

object...

> > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt

own

> > > any value to enjoy...

> > > can you say something about this ?

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> >

> > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining....

> > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also

> > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy....

> >

> > there is the joy of being....

> >

> > nothing else

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> beautifully said Marc!

>

> and in my view, absolutely true.

>

> Bill

 

 

thanks.....nice that you " see " it like this...

 

reading all this discussions about the subject....i think i will " no

focus at all " ......and live the joy of being.......:)

 

Marc

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