Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > could you say that...??? > personal love is when there is focusing on the object...(ego-duality) > and impersonal love is when there is no focusing at all...(just being) > ...iietsa works for me... what you call impersonal love there is also unconditional love... focusing entails defining an arbitrary boundary in the " perceptual space " ... hence by nature it is dual. Bill PS: a tricky little wrinkle here is that there can still be " focusing " going on within " natural mind " or completely open attention. For example, even with completely open attention there can be a focus to get a sliver out of one's finger. Because such focus is a " subprocess " of the open attention the overall process is still fundamentally open. I haven't found the words to speak to this clearly yet (which I assume is obvious!)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > it seems thou there are differences in attention... > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the object... > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt own > > any value to enjoy... > > can you say something about this ? > > ...iietsa > > yes... > > something along similar lines has occurred to me. > > there is attention with no focusing at all... > as in the Krishnamurti quote: > " Have you ever sat very silently, not with your > attention fixed on anything, not making an effort to > concentrate, but with the mind very quiet, really > still? Then you hear everything, don't you? You hear > the far off noises as well as those that are nearer and > those that are very close by, the immediate > sounds—which means really that you are listening to > everything. Your mind is not confined to one narrow > little channel. If you can listen in this way, listen > with ease, without strain, you will find an > extraordinary change taking place within you, a change > which comes without your volition, without your asking; > and in that change there is great beauty and depth of > insight. " > > The ordinary notion of attention would seem to imply > focusing involved, but that is not the case. > > The *creation of an object* (the object exists only > as per the perceptual process) is due to focusing. > Attention that is " open " (as in the K quote) does > not contemplate/define an object. > > Bill > I am is absorbed in the heart... What Is remains as That I Am This. Love. Non-duality is the state of Being. Open to all the experiences of 'being human' including the unknown, unborn silent and non-conceptual Buddha-Mind. " It " appears as appearing Reality in a multi-dimensional Being-ness, here now in/as/of This....Is.... Let us truly enjoy our being-ness, the gift and mystery of Life/ Love,unasked for, given freely and without beginning or ending. Feel the vibration...;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > could you say that...??? > > personal love is when there is focusing on the object...(ego-duality) > > and impersonal love is when there is no focusing at all...(just > being) > > ...iietsa > > > all we can do is focusing-buisness...!!! > but if we dont do this focusing-buisness...??? > ...iietsa > We are the focusing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > it seems thou there are differences in attention... > > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the object... > > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt own > > > any value to enjoy... > > > can you say something about this ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining.... > > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also > > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy.... > > > > there is the joy of being.... > > > > nothing else > > > > Marc > > > > > > The joy of being is your problem. > > > > toombaru so wish you to enjoy the dream......to read some other words.... which don't confuse the little ego-mind....restless Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > it seems thou there are differences in attention... > > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the object... > > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt own > > > any value to enjoy... > > > can you say something about this ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining.... > > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also > > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy.... > > > > there is the joy of being.... > > > > nothing else > > > > Marc > > > > beautifully said Marc! > > and in my view, absolutely true. > > Bill thanks.....nice that you " see " it like this... reading all this discussions about the subject....i think i will " no focus at all " ......and live the joy of being....... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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