Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > it seems thou there are differences in attention... > > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the object... > > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt own > > > any value to enjoy... > > > can you say something about this ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining.... > > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also > > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy.... > > > > there is the joy of being.... > > > > nothing else > > > > Marc > > > > > > The joy of being is your problem. > > > > toombaru > strikes me as rude to attribute a " problem " to another in an unsolicited manner such as this. it is a low-ball technique... in my view. it is also totally subjective. Marc didn't say he had a problem. You did. That is your attribution to Marc. it would be just as sound a statement for me to declare: " You, toombaru, are totally confused, indeed pathetically and pathologically confused. " [i don't agree with that statement, BTW but if I *were* to state such it would have as much footing as your statement about Marc's putative " problem " . making unfounded " you statements " about other members of the list does not uplift but does the opposite. if what one thinks to say is not to uplift, then why say it? felt I needed to speak up on this. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it seems thou there are differences in attention... > > > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the object... > > > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt own > > > > any value to enjoy... > > > > can you say something about this ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining.... > > > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also > > > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy.... > > > > > > there is the joy of being.... > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > The joy of being is your problem. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > strikes me as rude to attribute a " problem " to another > in an unsolicited manner such as this. > > it is a low-ball technique... in my view. > > it is also totally subjective. Marc didn't say he had > a problem. You did. That is your attribution to Marc. > > it would be just as sound a statement for me to declare: > " You, toombaru, are totally confused, indeed pathetically > and pathologically confused. " [i don't agree with that > statement, BTW > > but if I *were* to state such it would have as much footing > as your statement about Marc's putative " problem " . > > making unfounded " you statements " about other members of > the list does not uplift but does the opposite. > > if what one thinks to say is not to uplift, then why say it? > > felt I needed to speak up on this. > > > Bill > It was Mark that referred to his personal joy of being. Nisargadatta said that the love (joy) of being is the problem long before I did. Rudeness has its place.....Nis would sometimes yell at people and kick them out of his house. Seekers can live off of sugar only so long......then it is meat they want. I know.......someone...........sometime told you: " If you can't say anything good.........don't say anything " . But that person was full of fear....and useless information. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it seems thou there are differences in attention... > > > > one is the focusing of an object...and the enjoing of the object... > > > > ...another is no focusing at all...the so-called objects doesnt own > > > > any value to enjoy... > > > > can you say something about this ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > when there is " no focusing at all " .....real Self is remaining.... > > > there are no movements....no thoughts....and so also > > > no " objects " ....which are there to enjoy.... > > > > > > there is the joy of being.... > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > The joy of being is your problem. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > strikes me as rude to attribute a " problem " to another > in an unsolicited manner such as this. > > it is a low-ball technique... in my view. > > it is also totally subjective. Marc didn't say he had > a problem. You did. That is your attribution to Marc. > > it would be just as sound a statement for me to declare: > " You, toombaru, are totally confused, indeed pathetically > and pathologically confused. " [i don't agree with that > statement, BTW > > but if I *were* to state such it would have as much footing > as your statement about Marc's putative " problem " . > > making unfounded " you statements " about other members of > the list does not uplift but does the opposite. > > if what one thinks to say is not to uplift, then why say it? > > felt I needed to speak up on this. > > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 > > Rudeness has its place.....Nis would sometimes yell at people and kick > them out of his house. > > Seekers can live off of sugar only so long......then it is meat they want. > > I know.......someone...........sometime told you: > > " If you can't say anything good.........don't say anything " . > > > But that person was full of fear....and useless information. > > > > toombaru > say what you will, I find what you said not only rude but inappropriate, and not provoking of depth and deeper inquiry. your " Nis defence " does not apply as Marc's comment was not at of the sort that would draw Nis's umbrage. and if you see Nis as recourse for justification, note also that he said, " Don't criticise others! " I am saying, let us be courteous to one another. Why do you have a problem with that? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > > > > > Rudeness has its place.....Nis would sometimes yell at people and kick > > them out of his house. > > > > Seekers can live off of sugar only so long......then it is meat they > want. > > > > I know.......someone...........sometime told you: > > > > " If you can't say anything good.........don't say anything " . > > > > > > But that person was full of fear....and useless information. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > say what you will, I find what you said not only rude but > inappropriate, and not provoking of depth and deeper inquiry. > > your " Nis defence " does not apply as Marc's comment was not at > of the sort that would draw Nis's umbrage. > > and if you see Nis as recourse for justification, note also > that he said, " Don't criticise others! " > > I am saying, let us be courteous to one another. > > Why do you have a problem with that? > > > Bill > Let's ask Mark. If it is courtesy he wants.....that is what I will offer. What say you Mark? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rudeness has its place.....Nis would sometimes yell at people and kick > > > them out of his house. > > > > > > Seekers can live off of sugar only so long......then it is meat they > > want. > > > > > > I know.......someone...........sometime told you: > > > > > > " If you can't say anything good.........don't say anything " . > > > > > > > > > But that person was full of fear....and useless information. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > say what you will, I find what you said not only rude but > > inappropriate, and not provoking of depth and deeper inquiry. > > > > your " Nis defence " does not apply as Marc's comment was not at > > of the sort that would draw Nis's umbrage. > > > > and if you see Nis as recourse for justification, note also > > that he said, " Don't criticise others! " > > > > I am saying, let us be courteous to one another. > > > > Why do you have a problem with that? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Let's ask Mark. > > If it is courtesy he wants.....that is what I will offer. > > What say you Mark? > > > toombaru > For Heaven's sake toombaru... you speak of courtesy as some sort of affectation, as something one *does*. Courtesy flows naturally from an open heart. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rudeness has its place.....Nis would sometimes yell at people and kick > > > them out of his house. > > > > > > Seekers can live off of sugar only so long......then it is meat they > > want. > > > > > > I know.......someone...........sometime told you: > > > > > > " If you can't say anything good.........don't say anything " . > > > > > > > > > But that person was full of fear....and useless information. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > say what you will, I find what you said not only rude but > > inappropriate, and not provoking of depth and deeper inquiry. > > > > your " Nis defence " does not apply as Marc's comment was not at > > of the sort that would draw Nis's umbrage. > > > > and if you see Nis as recourse for justification, note also > > that he said, " Don't criticise others! " > > > > I am saying, let us be courteous to one another. > > > > Why do you have a problem with that? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Let's ask Mark. > > If it is courtesy he wants.....that is what I will offer. > > What say you Mark? > > > toombaru yes....always easier to speak to real people.... " who " know that they aren't this little ego-mind....restless...... and so....who know and feel and live.....this peace of living a free mind.....a liberated mind...... far for this little " word-fights " .....from this little " mind- fights " .......far from this little " word-games " ..... far from this little " definitions " and famous " words " ....of " whoever " ..... there is only one " voice " ..... without the energy of being......one could even no open the mouth to say something...... one could even not move the fingers...to write few words in here.... in communication with oneSelf..... Marc Ps: you " offer " whatever you like to.....to " whoever " you like to..... or you don't..... i have no problem with it..... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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