Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Hello. I'm new here. I had no idea Nisargadatta is so well known and popular. Cheers Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Hello. I'm new here. I had no idea Nisargadatta is so well known and > popular. > > Cheers > Jason welcome Jason and... say more please... what brings your heart here? have you tasted the fire of knowing within? are you seeking that? what inner journey carries you in the outer arc of meeting us here? Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > welcome Jason and... > say more please... > > what brings your heart here? > > have you tasted the fire of > knowing within? > > are you seeking that? > > what inner journey carries you > in the outer arc of meeting us here? > > Bill Hello Bill Thank you for the warm welcome. I've been reading Nisargadatta for about 10 years on and off. I found his books by accident - in a second hand book show. Two old red hardbacks called " I am That " . I was grasped by the dialogues. I both wish for and fear the supreme state. I think my lifestyle - or rather work, which involves constant problem solving and learning new stuff - makes it difficult. As Nisargadatta said, all you need is a quiet mind... but it's not easy when you have to create things with it all the time. I joined this group to bring up issues like this, and to read what you're all discussing, and to see how the yoga has gone with others here. I can't imagine anyone other than Nisargadatta being the supreme, so it fascinates me to think there may be people here who are " that " . Another reason I joined is so I am not entirely alone in this. Inner journey. When I was younger I was very unaware of my own unconscious, and it's been letting me know this in various ways over the years, most notably in the form of dream symbolism. I read here about " tension " and relief from tension, and I guess that's what it's about for me. And overcoming fear. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > Hello Bill > > Thank you for the warm welcome. > > I've been reading Nisargadatta for about 10 years on and off. I > found his books by accident - in a second hand book show. Two old > red hardbacks called " I am That " . I was grasped by the dialogues. > > I both wish for and fear the supreme state. I think my lifestyle - > or rather work, which involves constant problem solving and learning > new stuff - makes it difficult. As Nisargadatta said, all you need > is a quiet mind... but it's not easy when you have to create things > with it all the time. > > I joined this group to bring up issues like this, and to read what > you're all discussing, and to see how the yoga has gone with others > here. I can't imagine anyone other than Nisargadatta being the > supreme, so it fascinates me to think there may be people here who > are " that " . Another reason I joined is so I am not entirely alone in > this. > > Inner journey. When I was younger I was very unaware of my own > unconscious, and it's been letting me know this in various ways over > the years, most notably in the form of dream symbolism. > > I read here about " tension " and relief from tension, and I guess > that's what it's about for me. And overcoming fear. > > Jason Here you have said it, Bill: " and the reason that " mere consciousness " does so trigger is a realization, effectively, that in that awareness- presence of I-intent is an inherent incompleteness that yearns to be transcended, that yearns to be shot-beyond. " Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > welcome Jason and... > > say more please... > > > > what brings your heart here? > > > > have you tasted the fire of > > knowing within? > > > > are you seeking that? > > > > what inner journey carries you > > in the outer arc of meeting us here? > > > > Bill > > Hello Bill > > Thank you for the warm welcome. > > I've been reading Nisargadatta for about 10 years on and off. I > found his books by accident - in a second hand book show. Two old > red hardbacks called " I am That " . I was grasped by the dialogues. > > I both wish for and fear the supreme state. I think my lifestyle - > or rather work, which involves constant problem solving and learning > new stuff - makes it difficult. As Nisargadatta said, all you need > is a quiet mind... but it's not easy when you have to create things > with it all the time. > > I joined this group to bring up issues like this, and to read what > you're all discussing, and to see how the yoga has gone with others > here. I can't imagine anyone other than Nisargadatta being the > supreme, so it fascinates me to think there may be people here who > are " that " . Another reason I joined is so I am not entirely alone in > this. > > Inner journey. When I was younger I was very unaware of my own > unconscious, and it's been letting me know this in various ways over > the years, most notably in the form of dream symbolism. > > I read here about " tension " and relief from tension, and I guess > that's what it's about for me. And overcoming fear. > > Jason > Namaste Jason, IMHO, tension is the slender thread between what is and what we think 'should be', vacillating between a and b. Fear of the unknown is the other side of the continuum. See, we are already non-dual ;-) Yours In Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > I both wish for and fear the supreme state. I think my lifestyle - > or rather work, which involves constant problem solving and learning > new stuff - makes it difficult. As Nisargadatta said, all you need > is a quiet mind... but it's not easy when you have to create things > with it all the time. I am both a software engineer and an artist and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite the contrary. Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the absence of thought, really, but the absence of any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, thought arises when needed, and rests when not. It is only when self-consciousness gets in the mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops of self-reference. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > I am both a software engineer and an artist > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > the contrary. > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > of self-reference. > > Bill Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you use your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that should be enough. Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and teach 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. This would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found an old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had pencil notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it became like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the end of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to the beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. Now he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. After a while I closed the book. I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping suddenly into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several times. The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the conceptual mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a stable state, but not the true state. So I think joining this group is significant for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > I am both a software engineer and an artist > > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > > the contrary. > > > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > > of self-reference. > > > > Bill > > Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you use > your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > should be enough. > > Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and teach > 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. This > would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found an > old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian > ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had pencil > notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it became > like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the end > of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We > spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to the > beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. Now > he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > After a while I closed the book. > > I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping suddenly > into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I > pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several times. > The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the conceptual > mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a stable > state, but not the true state. > > So I think joining this group is significant for me! > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... dont give this group-thought a higher value.... couse then you go away from I am...so to speak anything you give power takes you away from I am .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > I am both a software engineer and an artist > > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > > the contrary. > > > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > > of self-reference. > > > > Bill > > Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you use > your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > should be enough. > > Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and teach > 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. This > would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found an > old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian > ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had pencil > notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it became > like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the end > of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We > spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to the > beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. Now > he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > After a while I closed the book. > > I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping suddenly > into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I > pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several times. > The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the conceptual > mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a stable > state, but not the true state. > > So I think joining this group is significant for me! > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " signifies? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, > is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the > trail and meditate. > > Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " > signifies? > > Bill > Hi again Thanks. Now that I've had some time to reflect, and I think what it's saying is this: Reading the dialogues is all well and good, but once I have that knowledge, I have to go and apply it to myself, instead of carrying on with more and more reading and reflections on the text. Also I may be attached to Nisargadatta, again, that won't help. I think the Nisargadatta figure in the dream is taking me back to myself, and telling me to do the " I am " bit and leave the texts alone. It amazes me that powerful figures like this can appear in a dream, and behave autonomously, with greater power and knowledge than me. It's almost as if Nisargadatta is still here, and is still working. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > Namaste Jason, > > IMHO, tension is the slender thread between what is and what we > think 'should be', vacillating between a and b. Fear of the unknown > is the other side of the continuum. See, we are already non-dual ;-) > > > Yours In Love, > Ana Hello I missed your post - thanks for that. Namaste? That sounds like it could be Nämaste? Swedish? Although I live & work in Sweden, I'm from UK. How did you know about the Swedish bit? From my experiences this morning, it seems that the " I am " state is also a kind of tension, but a stable one. We're so used to it. /Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, > > is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the > > trail and meditate. > > > > Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " > > signifies? > > > > Bill > > > > Hi again > > Thanks. Now that I've had some time to reflect, and I think what > it's saying is this: > > Reading the dialogues is all well and good, but once I have that > knowledge, I have to go and apply it to myself, instead of carrying > on with more and more reading and reflections on the text. Also I > may be attached to Nisargadatta, again, that won't help. > > I think the Nisargadatta figure in the dream is taking me back to > myself, and telling me to do the " I am " bit and leave the texts > alone. That is basically my take on your dream. Seems he is saying it is time to stop " seeking " and just be. > > It amazes me that powerful figures like this can appear in a dream, > and behave autonomously, with greater power and knowledge than me. > It's almost as if Nisargadatta is still here, and is still working. I'm not amazed at all. Seems perfectly natural to me. Bill PS: From your dream account it seems that he especially likes you. Which would mean you are especially blessed. So leave everything behind and really go with the new door that is opening. It doesn't have to be difficult at all when the heart is pure and the intent is clear. > Jason > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > Namaste Jason, > > > > IMHO, tension is the slender thread between what is and what we > > think 'should be', vacillating between a and b. Fear of the unknown > > is the other side of the continuum. See, we are already non- dual ;-) > > > > > > Yours In Love, > > Ana > > Hello > > I missed your post - thanks for that. Namaste? That sounds like it > could be Nämaste? Swedish? > > Although I live & work in Sweden, I'm from UK. How did you know about > the Swedish bit? > > From my experiences this morning, it seems that the " I am " state is > also a kind of tension, but a stable one. We're so used to it. > > /Jason > a tension tells you of a resistance. let the resistance dissolve. don't make it difficult. let it be easy. the only obstacles are our efforts. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > I am both a software engineer and an artist > > > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > > > the contrary. > > > > > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > > > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > > > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > > > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > > > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > > > > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > > > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > > > of self-reference. > > > > > > Bill > > > > Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you > use > > your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > > should be enough. > > > > Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and > teach > > 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > > > It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. > This > > would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found > an > > old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > > Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian > > ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > > Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had > pencil > > notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it > became > > like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the > end > > of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We > > spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to > the > > beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. > Now > > he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > > > After a while I closed the book. > > > > I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > > alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping > suddenly > > into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I > > pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several > times. > > The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the > conceptual > > mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a > stable > > state, but not the true state. > > > > So I think joining this group is significant for me! > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > anything you give power takes you away from I am > ....iietsa > Dearest iietsa, I Am is the One and only power We are merely conciously " adding " to it via a " group Soul " , so to speak, here called Nisargadatta. One ever moves into the unknown. There is and could be nothing that " takes away " from I Am. Everything is ever only " added to " . Albeit often not consciously and without conscious awareness which is, IMHO, love. Yours In Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, > > is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the > > trail and meditate. > > > > Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " > > signifies? > > > > Bill > > > > Hi again > > Thanks. Now that I've had some time to reflect, and I think what > it's saying is this: > > Reading the dialogues is all well and good, but once I have that > knowledge, I have to go and apply it to myself, instead of carrying > on with more and more reading and reflections on the text. Also I > may be attached to Nisargadatta, again, that won't help. > > I think the Nisargadatta figure in the dream is taking me back to > myself, and telling me to do the " I am " bit and leave the texts > alone. > > It amazes me that powerful figures like this can appear in a dream, > and behave autonomously, with greater power and knowledge than me. > It's almost as if Nisargadatta is still here, and is still working. > > Jason > ....dreams with dreams Jason, we are no more than the stuff dreams are made of... Shakespeare paraphrased ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > I am both a software engineer and an artist > > > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > > > the contrary. > > > > > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > > > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > > > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > > > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > > > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > > > > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > > > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > > > of self-reference. > > > > > > Bill > > > > Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you > use > > your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > > should be enough. > > > > Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and > teach > > 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > > > It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. > This > > would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found > an > > old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > > Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian > > ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > > Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had > pencil > > notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it > became > > like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the > end > > of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We > > spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to > the > > beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. > Now > > he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > > > After a while I closed the book. > > > > I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > > alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping > suddenly > > into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I > > pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several > times. > > The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the > conceptual > > mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a > stable > > state, but not the true state. > > > > So I think joining this group is significant for me! > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > anything you give power takes you away from I am > ....iietsa > " this so-called group is only thought... " then you are not paying attention! there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? Oh my! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > ....iietsa > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > then you are not paying attention! > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > Oh my! > > Bill I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > I am both a software engineer and an artist > > > > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > > > > the contrary. > > > > > > > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > > > > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > > > > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > > > > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > > > > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > > > > > > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > > > > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > > > > of self-reference. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you > > use > > > your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > > > should be enough. > > > > > > Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and > > teach > > > 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > > > > > It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. > > This > > > would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found > > an > > > old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by > the > > > Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and > Indian > > > ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > > > Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had > > pencil > > > notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it > > became > > > like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At > the > > end > > > of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. > We > > > spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, > to > > the > > > beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing > ok. > > Now > > > he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and > meditate. > > > > > > After a while I closed the book. > > > > > > I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time > the > > > alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping > > suddenly > > > into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. > I > > > pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several > > times. > > > The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the > > conceptual > > > mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a > > stable > > > state, but not the true state. > > > > > > So I think joining this group is significant for me! > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > ....iietsa > > > > > Dearest iietsa, > > I Am is the One and only power > We are merely conciously " adding " to it via a " group Soul " , so to > speak, here called Nisargadatta. One ever moves into the unknown. > > There is and could be nothing that " takes away " from I Am. > > Everything is ever only " added to " . Albeit often not consciously > and without conscious awareness which is, IMHO, love. > > Yours In Love, > Ana > there is nothing wrong....ok but there is thought thinking there is something wrong...ok there is nothing wrong with this...ok ......maby you know this for sure, or something like that.... " takes away or goes away " is just a matter of speaking... there is only one...ok..... why are you trying so hard to tell this fact...seems like a joke without a point....like all that is written here....this mail to.. I am not interested in duality....and I see there is only one... (others might disagree)....it is to this misunderstanding I speak... if your at home knowing it...those meaningless words are not for you..but if there is (someone out there)(I still understand there is only one)listen to this apparent mad-man...hehe it is only to this mis-taken-entity....made up by identification.... those words are only to (those who have mistaken themselves for a separate thing...) I am...you ARE...(we) are..... only shift attantion from I...you...we....they......... to...... am...are..isness...beingness itself...... .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > I am both a software engineer and an artist > > > > and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > > > > the contrary. > > > > > > > > Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > > > > absence of thought, really, but the absence of > > > > any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > > > > about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > > > > thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > > > > > > > > It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > > > > mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > > > > of self-reference. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you > > use > > > your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > > > should be enough. > > > > > > Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and > > teach > > > 3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > > > > > It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. > > This > > > would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found > > an > > > old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > > > Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and > Indian > > > ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > > > Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had > > pencil > > > notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it > > became > > > like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At > the > > end > > > of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. > We > > > spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to > > the > > > beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. > > Now > > > he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > > > > > After a while I closed the book. > > > > > > I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > > > alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping > > suddenly > > > into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. > I > > > pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several > > times. > > > The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the > > conceptual > > > mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a > > stable > > > state, but not the true state. > > > > > > So I think joining this group is significant for me! > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > ....iietsa > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > then you are not paying attention! > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > Oh my! > > Bill > ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > > ....iietsa > > > > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > > then you are not paying attention! > > > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > > Oh my! > > > > Bill > > I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? > One pitfall with nondualism is that for some it can become a complete head trip. But certainly not for all, and certainly not for all on this list. Ana, for example, dooesn't go there. So to me what iiesta said is not truly representative of this list. Yes, there are definitely some head trips going on here, but not only that by any means. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > > > ....iietsa > > > > > > > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > > > then you are not paying attention! > > > > > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > > > Oh my! > > > > > > Bill > > > > I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? > > > > One pitfall with nondualism is that for some it can become > a complete head trip. But certainly not for all, and certainly > not for all on this list. Ana, for example, dooesn't go there. > So to me what iiesta said is not truly representative of this > list. Yes, there are definitely some head trips going on here, > but not only that by any means. > > Bill > this might be a simple misunderstanding.... when it is said that you should not emphasize any thoughts whatsoever...give no power to words....dont hold on to the mind- buisness.....I surely dont mean to say......join the " head trip " ............where did you slip into the head-trip-thought Bill ? .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > > > ....iietsa > > > > > > > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > > > then you are not paying attention! > > > > > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > > > Oh my! > > > > > > Bill > > > > I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? > > > > One pitfall with nondualism is that for some it can become > a complete head trip. But certainly not for all, and certainly > not for all on this list. Ana, for example, dooesn't go there. > So to me what iiesta said is not truly representative of this > list. Yes, there are definitely some head trips going on here, > but not only that by any means. > > Bill > you can trow as many " stones " as you like.... but youll never hit anything but your own resisted imagined selfcreated fantasy-object...... ....... good luck with the " stones " Bill..... please tell me when youre finished with this so-called " love- spreading " of yours... .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > > > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > > > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > > > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > > > > ....iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > > > > then you are not paying attention! > > > > > > > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > > > > Oh my! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? > > > > > > > One pitfall with nondualism is that for some it can become > > a complete head trip. But certainly not for all, and certainly > > not for all on this list. Ana, for example, dooesn't go there. > > So to me what iiesta said is not truly representative of this > > list. Yes, there are definitely some head trips going on here, > > but not only that by any means. > > > > Bill > > > > you can trow as many " stones " as you like.... > but youll never hit anything but your own resisted imagined > selfcreated fantasy-object...... > ...... good luck with the " stones " Bill..... > please tell me when youre finished with this so-called " love- > spreading " of yours... > ....iietsa > by the way Bill are those words of yours designed to jubilate with beauty... or are they designed for another reason ? .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > > > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > > > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > > > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > > > > ....iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > > > > then you are not paying attention! > > > > > > > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > > > > Oh my! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? > > > > > > > One pitfall with nondualism is that for some it can become > > a complete head trip. But certainly not for all, and certainly > > not for all on this list. Ana, for example, dooesn't go there. > > So to me what iiesta said is not truly representative of this > > list. Yes, there are definitely some head trips going on here, > > but not only that by any means. > > > > Bill > > > this might be a simple misunderstanding.... > when it is said that you should not emphasize any thoughts > whatsoever...give no power to words....dont hold on to the mind- > buisness.....I surely dont mean to say......join the " head trip " > ...........where did you slip into the head-trip-thought Bill ? > ....iietsa > a. if *it is said* you should not <anything>, THAT is a head trip in my view. b. have no idea where you get that I said you said " join the head trip " ... c. your last line is an absurd cutism in my view. Another one of those rhetorical pot-shots... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > enough to be I am.....this so-called group is only thought... > > > > > > dont give this group-thought a higher value.... > > > > > > couse then you go away from I am...so to speak > > > > > > anything you give power takes you away from I am > > > > > > ....iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " this so-called group is only thought... " > > > > > then you are not paying attention! > > > > > > > > > > there is thought, yes, but to say *only* thought? > > > > > Oh my! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > I don't follow - can you explain that please, Bill? > > > > > > > > > > One pitfall with nondualism is that for some it can become > > > a complete head trip. But certainly not for all, and certainly > > > not for all on this list. Ana, for example, dooesn't go there. > > > So to me what iiesta said is not truly representative of this > > > list. Yes, there are definitely some head trips going on here, > > > but not only that by any means. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > this might be a simple misunderstanding.... > > when it is said that you should not emphasize any thoughts > > whatsoever...give no power to words....dont hold on to the mind- > > buisness.....I surely dont mean to say......join the " head trip " > > ...........where did you slip into the head-trip-thought Bill ? > > ....iietsa > > > > a. if *it is said* you should not <anything>, THAT is a head trip > in my view. > > b. have no idea where you get that I said you said " join the head trip " ... > > c. your last line is an absurd cutism in my view. Another one of > those rhetorical pot-shots... > > Bill > you just hang on to " your understanding " as long as you do.... .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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