Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 -- In Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > >>I am both a software engineer and an artist >>and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite >>the contrary. >> >>Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the >>absence of thought, really, but the absence of >>any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying >>about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, >>thought arises when needed, and rests when not. >> >>It is only when self-consciousness gets in the >>mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops >>of self-reference. >> >>Bill > >Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you use >your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that >should be enough. > >Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and teach >3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > >It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. This >would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found an >old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the >Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian >ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with >Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had pencil >notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it became >like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the end >of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We >spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to the >beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. Now >he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > >After a while I closed the book. > >I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the >alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping suddenly >into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I >pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several times. >The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the conceptual >mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a stable >state, but not the true state. > >So I think joining this group is significant for me! > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " signifies? Bill L.E: The most significant part of the dream was the half of a tennis ball. Did you notice that the inside was black and the outside was white? This image relates inside to outside, or inner experience to the outer world. They are two sides of the same surface just as with the inside and outside of the tennis ball. Your existence is like the skin of the ball, a form existing between the inside reality and the outside reality. Inside, outside and the skin are all part of each other and unified in one totality. That is the meaning of the half of a tennis ball. Larry Epston www.epston.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, >is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the >trail and meditate. > >Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " >signifies? > >Bill > >L.E: The most significant part of the dream was the half of a tennis ball. >Did you notice that the inside was black and the outside was white? This image >relates inside to outside, or inner experience to the outer world. They are >two sides of the same surface just as with the inside and outside of the >tennis ball. Your existence is like the skin of the ball, a form existing between >the inside reality and the outside reality. Inside, outside and the skin are >all part of each other and unified in one totality. That is the meaning of >the half of a tennis ball. > > >Larry Epston >www.epston.com > notice how each of us takes a different part of a dream and make it significant??????? smiles, Ana L.E: I was just kidding, but that was a significant thing to notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > -- In Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > >>I am both a software engineer and an artist > >>and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > >>the contrary. > >> > >>Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > >>absence of thought, really, but the absence of > >>any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > >>about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > >>thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > >> > >>It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > >>mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > >>of self-reference. > >> > >>Bill > > > >Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you use > >your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > >should be enough. > > > >Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and > teach > >3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > > >It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. > This > >would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found an > >old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > >Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian > >ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > >Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had > pencil > >notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it > became > >like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the > end > >of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We > >spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to > the > >beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. > Now > >he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > > >After a while I closed the book. > > > >I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > >alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping > suddenly > >into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I > >pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several > times. > >The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the > conceptual > >mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a > stable > >state, but not the true state. > > > >So I think joining this group is significant for me! > > > > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, > is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the > trail and meditate. > > Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " > signifies? > > Bill > > L.E: The most significant part of the dream was the half of a tennis ball. > Did you notice that the inside was black and the outside was white? This image > relates inside to outside, or inner experience to the outer world. They are > two sides of the same surface just as with the inside and outside of the > tennis ball. Your existence is like the skin of the ball, a form existing between > the inside reality and the outside reality. Inside, outside and the skin are > all part of each other and unified in one totality. That is the meaning of > the half of a tennis ball. > > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 > L.E: The most significant part of the dream was the half of a tennis ball. > Did you notice that the inside was black and the outside was white? This image > relates inside to outside, or inner experience to the outer world. They are > two sides of the same surface just as with the inside and outside of the > tennis ball. Your existence is like the skin of the ball, a form existing between > the inside reality and the outside reality. Inside, outside and the skin are > all part of each other and unified in one totality. That is the meaning of > the half of a tennis ball. > > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com I think there is something in what you say, but the tennis ball is not significant - the tennis ball wasn't part of my dream! The turning inside/out part was an image I used to try to explain what it felt like when I-am-ness snapped into place when I awoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > -- In Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > >>I am both a software engineer and an artist > >>and quiet mind is hardly a hindrance; quite > >>the contrary. > >> > >>Quiet mind as I consider that term is not the > >>absence of thought, really, but the absence of > >>any " self-consciousness " . Like the Zen saying > >>about eating when hungry, sleeping when tired, > >>thought arises when needed, and rests when not. > >> > >>It is only when self-consciousness gets in the > >>mix that thought gets obsessive in endless loops > >>of self-reference. > >> > >>Bill > > > >Thanks. And now I also remember Nisargadatta saying that if you use > >your spare time to concentrate on the thought-feeling I am, that > >should be enough. > > > >Interestly, I also work with art and software. I work with and > teach > >3D graphics, as well as some other IT related things! > > > >It's not often I dream about Nisargadatta, but I did last night. > This > >would make it the second time in 10 years. In this dream I found an > >old book about Nisargadatta. It had a framing text written by the > >Maharishi or someone, and then there were some prayers, and Indian > >ragas, and in the centre of the book was a long dialogue with > >Nisargadatta and someone. I noticed that the dialogue text had > pencil > >notes made to it by Nisargadatta. I read then dialogue and it > became > >like a trail,. or path, written on the ground in the grass. At the > end > >of the trail was sitting Nisargadatta behind a desk, in person. We > >spoke a little bit, and then we walked back together, talking, to > the > >beginning of the trail, during which time he said I was doing ok. > Now > >he wanted me to sit at the opposite end of the trail and meditate. > > > >After a while I closed the book. > > > >I woke up to do with an alarm with a snooze button. Each time the > >alarm went off, I was very aware of the sense " I am " snapping > suddenly > >into place, like an adams apple shaped bubble appearing forming. I > >pressed the snooze button and repeated the experience several > times. > >The way this " I am " appeared, was like a descent into the > conceptual > >mind, or like half a tennis ball turning inside out. It was a > stable > >state, but not the true state. > > > >So I think joining this group is significant for me! > > > > The most significant part of the dream, it seems to me, > is where he tells you to sit at the opposite end of the > trail and meditate. > > Do you have a sense of what " opposite end of the trail " > signifies? > > Bill > > L.E: The most significant part of the dream was the half of a tennis ball. > Did you notice that the inside was black and the outside was white? This image > relates inside to outside, or inner experience to the outer world. They are > two sides of the same surface just as with the inside and outside of the > tennis ball. Your existence is like the skin of the ball, a form existing between > the inside reality and the outside reality. Inside, outside and the skin are > all part of each other and unified in one totality. That is the meaning of > the half of a tennis ball. > > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > hold your horses.... the tennis ball....or half of it.... the significant half I mean....hehe what about the other half....haha .....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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